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Mar 27, 2012 11:08 AM
Al Bundy;1129071 wrote:Those 6-8 catches will be for about 25 yards. If they don't have a QB that can throw the ball downfield, does it really matter who they have at WR?
Preaching to the choir but they might as well start assembling SOME weapons for when they do get their QB in place.
Mar 27, 2012 11:08am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:19 AM
BR1986FB;1129003 wrote:Blackmon would help the offense but I think T-Rich would have more of an immediate impact. Richardson is going to get more touches rushing and catching checkdowns while Blackmon might get targeted 8-10x's a game and catch 6-8 balls.

Either way I wouldn't want either at #4 but if you can trade down a few slots, get some "value/extra picks" and THEN get them...I'd be cool with that.
Yeah why would you ever need WRs right? They each only get targeted 6 times a game why even waste a pick?

The Vikings are doing great giving AP all those touches..lets get richardson!
Mar 27, 2012 11:19am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:27 AM
This team needs offensive play makers, that's not even debatable.
Mar 27, 2012 11:27am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:29 AM
SportsAndLady;1129082 wrote:Yeah why would you ever need WRs right? They each only get targeted 6 times a game why even waste a pick?

The Vikings are doing great giving AP all those touches..lets get richardson!
You drop back and get people like Hill/Wright/Floyd with the second pick and then another in the 2nd/3rd round. No one is saying don't pick WRs. The difference between Richardson and any other RB in this draft is far greater than Blackmon and other WRs.

The only exception would be David Wilson, I've heard some people like his pass catching abililty and think he would be a better fit in teh WCO. IMO Richardson can catch just fine, he would fit the WCO and is far greater than Wilson.
Mar 27, 2012 11:29am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:31 AM
Richardson can catch passes just fine, in fact he actually has pretty good hands.
Mar 27, 2012 11:31am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:36 AM
Commander of Awesome;1129091 wrote:Richardson can catch passes just fine, in fact he actually has pretty good hands.
Exactly. He'd be more of an impact player, IMMEDIATELY. He'd probably touch the ball 30+ times per game in some capacity where Blackmon just doesn't have that impact. Trade down a bit, grab Richardson and THEN get your WR at 22.

Wasn't saying "don't take a WR" in that the receiving position needs upgraded. Just saying T-Rich gives you more impact with that first pick. Besides, I don't think Heckert is a fan of grabbing WR's that high (Maclin-late 1st, D-Jax-2nd).
Mar 27, 2012 11:36am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:38 AM
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# Browns HC Shurmur indicated the # Browns will draft a right tackle that can start in 2012.
Mar 27, 2012 11:38am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:43 AM
OneBuckeye;1129090 wrote:You drop back and get people like Hill/Wright/Floyd with the second pick and then another in the 2nd/3rd round. No one is saying don't pick WRs. The difference between Richardson and any other RB in this draft is far greater than Blackmon and other WRs.

The only exception would be David Wilson, I've heard some people like his pass catching abililty and think he would be a better fit in teh WCO. IMO Richardson can catch just fine, he would fit the WCO and is far greater than Wilson.
Blackmon is ten times greater than the next WR in this draft.

Aren't predictions used as facts fun!
Mar 27, 2012 11:43am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:46 AM
BR1986FB;1129095 wrote:Exactly. He'd be more of an impact player, IMMEDIATELY. He'd probably touch the ball 30+ times per game in some capacity where Blackmon just doesn't have that impact. Trade down a bit, grab Richardson and THEN get your WR at 22.

Wasn't saying "don't take a WR" in that the receiving position needs upgraded. Just saying T-Rich gives you more impact with that first pick. Besides, I don't think Heckert is a fan of grabbing WR's that high (Maclin-late 1st, D-Jax-2nd).

Agree 100% I'm a fan of richardson if we trade down. I would love Floyd at 22. I think he's going to be the best wr out if this draft
Mar 27, 2012 11:46am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:48 AM
SportsAndLady;1129103 wrote:Blackmon is ten times greater than the next WR in this draft.

Aren't predictions used as facts fun!

You have a sick obsession of BR it's getting pretty creepy
Mar 27, 2012 11:48am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:56 AM
Crimson streak;1129107 wrote:You have a sick obsession of BR it's getting pretty creepy
Umm that was in response to onebuckeye and his "richardson is far greater than the other rbs than blsckmon is to other WRs"
Mar 27, 2012 11:56am
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Mar 27, 2012 11:57 AM
Yeah, didn't really get how that was directed at me...this time.
Mar 27, 2012 11:57am
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Mar 27, 2012 12:01 PM
Do I want a franchise QB? Yes

Will we get one in this draft...not anymore. And because Washington has overpaid to get the 2nd best QB in the draft(regardless of who they get), we should now get playmakers to put around our current QB and if he's not the answer...blam, we get our franchise guy NEXT year and the weapons are already in place.
Mar 27, 2012 12:01pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:09 PM
bases_loaded;1129120 wrote:Do I want a franchise QB? Yes

Will we get one in this draft...not anymore. And because Washington has overpaid to get the 2nd best QB in the draft(regardless of who they get), we should now get playmakers to put around our current QB and if he's not the answer...blam, we get our franchise guy NEXT year and the weapons are already in place.
I am of this belief now. There is no sense in trying to bring in something that may not be better than what you have. That's why I'm not opposed to a trade down to 14 or 15 to get a Falcons/Julio Jones-type raping of the Cowboys or Eagles.

I honestly don't think the Browns will need to move up to get Barkley as I easily see them being a top 3 pick in the 2013 draft but there's no sense going after a Tannehill if he's not in the same class as the top 2 in this draft.
Mar 27, 2012 12:09pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:13 PM
SportsAndLady;1129112 wrote:Umm that was in response to onebuckeye and his "richardson is far greater than the other rbs than blsckmon is to other WRs"

Whoops my bad I thought it was referenced to BR. But still
Mar 27, 2012 12:13pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:37 PM
so lets say that the Browns trade down with Jax and the draft unfolds like this
1 Ind --Luck
2 Wash--Griffin 3
3 Minn--Kahlil
4 Jax--Blackmon
5 TB--Richardson
6 St Louis--Clairborne
7 Browns ????

who would you guys prefer Heckert to pick?
Mar 27, 2012 12:37pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:40 PM
Mr Miyagi;1129147 wrote:so lets say that the Browns trade down with Jax and the draft unfolds like this
1 Ind --Luck
2 Wash--Griffin 3
3 Minn--Kahlil
4 Jax--Blackmon
5 TB--Richardson
6 St Louis--Clairborne
7 Browns ????

who would you guys prefer Heckert to pick?
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Mar 27, 2012 12:40pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:43 PM
Mr Miyagi;1129147 wrote:so lets say that the Browns trade down with Jax and the draft unfolds like this
1 Ind --Luck
2 Wash--Griffin 3
3 Minn--Kahlil
4 Jax--Blackmon
5 TB--Richardson
6 St Louis--Clairborne
7 Browns ????

who would you guys prefer Heckert to pick?
Not saying my preference but if that's how it plays out it may be Tannehill. Could also see them taking Michael Floyd or Jonathan Martin although that might be high for both of them. Please NO Coples!
Mar 27, 2012 12:43pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:47 PM
I myself also think that that is to high for Floyd ,Martin and Decastro......And if we take Tannehill we do not get the impact offensive player we need, as I really dont think Tannehill will gives us that.....i think we really need to be careful in trading down.....I mean if we trade down, we might as well go to 14, 15 or 16 and get more picks , i see the same value there as i do at 7
Mar 27, 2012 12:47pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:49 PM
Mr Miyagi;1129154 wrote:I myself also think that that is to high for Floyd ,Martin and Decastro......And if we take Tannehill we do not get the impact offensive player we need, as I really dont think Tannehill will gives us that.....i think we really need to be careful in trading down.....I mean if we trade down, we might as well go to 14, 15 or 16 and get more picks , i see the same value there as i do at 7
I don't think it's too high for Decastro, but if you think you can get him at a lower position, then trade down again. Why not?


Let's have 17 picks this draft, and set up to have about 12 next year lol.
Mar 27, 2012 12:49pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:50 PM
I would want DeCastro or Ingram.
Mar 27, 2012 12:50pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:57 PM
I like Decastro also, I think he will be there at 14 unless KC takes him at 11..........I have started seeing quite a few mocks ( not that they mean anything really) that have us taking Upshaw OLB ALA with pick 22...... I really want to go for a WR at 22 ......Anyone have a problem with Upshaw at 22?
Mar 27, 2012 12:57pm
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Mar 27, 2012 12:59 PM
Mr Miyagi;1129159 wrote:I like Decastro also, I think he will be there at 14 unless KC takes him at 11..........I have started seeing quite a few mocks ( not that they mean anything really) that have us taking Upshaw OLB ALA with pick 22...... I really want to go for a WR at 22 ......Anyone have a problem with Upshaw at 22?
Everyone wants a WR this draft, and it's frowned upon to get one in the 2nd round apparently, but I think there is a lot of talent this draft at WR. There will be a WR taken in the 2nd round that has 1st round talent.
Mar 27, 2012 12:59pm
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Mar 27, 2012 1:04 PM
like_that;1129161 wrote:Everyone wants a WR this draft, and it's frowned upon to get one in the 2nd round apparently, but I think there is a lot of talent this draft at WR. There will be a WR taken in the 2nd round that has 1st round talent.
Like Robiski ? or Massaquoi? or Little?
Mar 27, 2012 1:04pm
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Mar 27, 2012 1:05 PM
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#Browns will bring in Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill as one of their 30 pre-draft visits, league source said
Mar 27, 2012 1:05pm