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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 10, 2011 5:20pm
Kansas had to shoot out of their ass to beat a Sullinger"less" OSU. With Sully, OSU would beat this team by double digits. Never like to lose. But in the big picture, this game isn't going to hurt OSU.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 10, 2011 5:20pm
Williams and Ravenel both played like garbage today. Defensively, on the glass, and getting loose balls underneath. If a ball got knocked away or was up for grabs, the only way Ohio State was coming up with it is if Craft grabbed it.
Not that it's surprising, but this team is going to be in a lot of trouble if either Craft of Sully get hurt or have foul trouble.
Not that it's surprising, but this team is going to be in a lot of trouble if either Craft of Sully get hurt or have foul trouble.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 10, 2011 5:20pm
I didnt think it was possible, but I may over undervalued Sullinger. At least his importance to THIS team.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2011 5:21pm
Aaron Craft= s.t.u.d.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2011 5:22pm
fixed for accuracyMulva;1010404 wrote:Sibert and Ravenel both played like garbage today.
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mallymal614
Posts: 3,746
Dec 10, 2011 5:22pm
Jared is one heck of a player. I say this because he won a championship in middle school, AAU, and High School. I remember he sat out a game his sophomore year in high school and Northland still had a talented team without him. But they ended up losing without him in the tournament in almost similar fashion.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2011 5:23pm
anyone not think Sully's worth 11 fucking points? anyway, well done Jayhawks :thumbup:
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 10, 2011 5:23pm
Ohio State should stay at #2 or #3 with this loss considering Duke is #5 and Ohio State beat Duke by 22 points and it wasn't even that close.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2011 5:24pm
he's like a baby giraffe--he'll get MUCH better!!!KR1245;1010401 wrote:Kid played hard but he's got some work to do. He needs to get stronger in the paint and doesn't seem to have much offense
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 10, 2011 5:25pm
Sullinger is damn good. And being that good in the post, it causes teams to double down, which opens up so much more for the other players. Sullinger is also GREAT at passing out of that double to the open man. If you don't double him, he would score 30 easily. Even if he isn't scorinng or dominating, his presence opens up everything for the rest of this team. Thats what great players are about.Laley23;1010405 wrote:I didnt think it was possible, but I may over undervalued Sullinger. At least his importance to THIS team.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 10, 2011 5:25pm
Would have liked to have only lost by about 5 but all in all I thought we played hard and wouldn't go away. With sully, there's no doubt in my mind we win that game. Hope he's good to go soon!!
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 10, 2011 5:27pm
Sullinger is so important to this team bc the offense runs through him and also the boards and low post presence on the defensive end.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 10, 2011 5:30pm
No, I'm going to stick with Williams. The D from both post guys was terrible, both on the interior and help defense off of screens (you could throw Thomas in there too, but he did enough offensively to make up for it). They didn't show hard enough to stop the ball, but didn't stick with their men either. Too much dribble penetration off of ball screens resulting in open jump shots or dump offs into the post for easy baskets in my opinion. Just not gonna win many games when the other team shoots almost 60% and out rebounds you.vball10set;1010408 wrote:fixed for accuracy
Williams and Ravenel did OK fighting on the offensive glass, but they combined for 3 defensive rebounds in 40 minutes of playing time. That's pitiful, no matter how well Kansas was shooting.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2011 5:32pm
lol, I was just messing with ya', but IMO Williams gets a pass 'cause he's just a freshman, and really hasn't had a lot of pt...Sibert just hasn't improved
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 10, 2011 5:35pm
Yeah, Sibert's been disappointing. I was expecting more from him this year.vball10set;1010423 wrote:lol, I was just messing with ya', but IMO Williams gets a pass 'cause he's just a freshman, and really hasn't had a lot of pt...Sibert just hasn't improved
Williams will obviously get better, but for this season we're in deep shit if Sully doesn't play. I know T-Rob is a beast, but that was a bad effort defensively (and moreso Ravenel, which was disappointing).
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 10, 2011 5:36pm
Tough loss but kinda went the way I expected it without Sully.
Can't shoot under 40% and allow 60+% . Didn't make some switches off screens that led to some easy deuces, sign of being young. Buford was invisible the first half and Thomas was invisible the second. Effort was there and they scrapped hard but wasn't enough. Only disappointed in how poorly we guarded the three.
Can't shoot under 40% and allow 60+% . Didn't make some switches off screens that led to some easy deuces, sign of being young. Buford was invisible the first half and Thomas was invisible the second. Effort was there and they scrapped hard but wasn't enough. Only disappointed in how poorly we guarded the three.
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
Dec 10, 2011 5:37pm
Hopefully Williams can use that experience this afternoon and improve. They could really use him to play a solid 8-10 minutes when they face teams with deep and talented front lines. I know there aren't many of those, but to win the ultimate prize they will need to get by some teams with some talented bigs.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 10, 2011 5:41pm
I'm not disappointed at all.
OSU, playing their first TRUE road game against a GREAT talented team in KU, minus our best player and we put ourselves in a situation toward the end to have a legit shot to come away with it.
It was a 4 point game LATE despite KU shooting the lights out and OSU struggling.
And of course we're in deep shit if Sully can't play... You could say the same for UK minus Jones, UNC minus Barnes, etc...
Not hard to figure out there.
OSU, playing their first TRUE road game against a GREAT talented team in KU, minus our best player and we put ourselves in a situation toward the end to have a legit shot to come away with it.
It was a 4 point game LATE despite KU shooting the lights out and OSU struggling.
And of course we're in deep shit if Sully can't play... You could say the same for UK minus Jones, UNC minus Barnes, etc...
Not hard to figure out there.
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
Dec 10, 2011 5:41pm
Also, OSU probably wins that game at home even without Sullinger. First road game of the year, without one of the countries best players, at one of the toughest places to play in the country. Never happy with a loss, but I thought they showed some toughness there today. They could have easily folded the tent multiple times in the 2nd half but kept fighting back.
The negative I saw is they desperately need another wing that can knock down a shot. Smith plays his role as a defender and energy guy, but has a long way to go as a shooter. Sibert played awful. Hopefully LaQ can come in and have an impact, but that is asking an awful lot of a freshman that missed that much time with the team.
The negative I saw is they desperately need another wing that can knock down a shot. Smith plays his role as a defender and energy guy, but has a long way to go as a shooter. Sibert played awful. Hopefully LaQ can come in and have an impact, but that is asking an awful lot of a freshman that missed that much time with the team.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 10, 2011 5:47pm
Humpty Hitchens is averaging 17 pts, 5 ast and 2 stl a game for James Madison.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Dec 10, 2011 6:01pm
Ironman92;1010443 wrote:Humpty Hitchens is averaging 17 pts, 5 ast and 2 stl a game for James Madison.
Nice. He was amazing to watch down at the schott
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 10, 2011 6:08pm
OSU does need another wing or guard to knock down shots. As woo mentioned, hopefully Ross can come in and do that.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 10, 2011 6:10pm
Kansas isn't a "great" team. Robinson is a great player, that's about it. Worst Kansas team in probably a decade in my opinion.hoops23;1010436 wrote:OSU, playing their first TRUE road game against a GREAT talented team in KU, minus our best player and we put ourselves in a situation toward the end to have a legit shot to come away with it.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 10, 2011 6:18pm
KU is ranked #13 in the country and playing at home.Mulva;1010458 wrote:Kansas isn't a "great" team. Robinson is a great player, that's about it. Worst Kansas team in probably a decade in my opinion.
I don't give a shit how good this team is compared to past KU teams. In terms of this season alone, KU is a great talented team.
Also, my "flyer" in that statement is TALENTED. KU has talent and I don't think anybody can dispute that.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2011 6:21pm
he sure was--that was a great finalwes_mantooth;1010449 wrote:Nice. He was amazing to watch down at the schott