said_aouita;1003851 wrote:No, the fact that I wrestled since 1st grade at Graham, had the Jordan's as my coach as a youth, my brother was on the Jr. Olympic Greco National wrestling team and represented the USA in foreign countries. Also the fact my father was at one time the President of the Buckeye wrestling club and that Russ Hellickson's wife once was my baby sitter may have merit.

Hope this helps....you prick.

like_that wrote:All that tells me is you didn't do **** in wrestling, and everyone else in your family did. If you told them your views on wrestling, they all would shake their head at your. LOL at being being credible, because Jordan was your youth coach, and your brother wrestled on the Jr. Olympic team.

like_that;1003849 wrote:As I said before, being from Graham does not make you an expert on wrestling, sorry. Have you wrestled before? Like I said, if you have, shame on you. Based off your comments, I am willing to put my life savings you don't know as much about wrestling as I do. Do you REALLY want to go there? Your comments alone made you lose all credibility on the sport to begin with.

If you want to know what your said was incorrect, then just read your whole post, because the whole thing was idiotic, but if you want me to spell it out for you, here you go:

1. You can't be "lazy" at practice and be successful, sorry. You bring up Joe Dennis. First of all, the Jordan's have wrestled at the highest level, and they work with a perennial top 5 national program every year, so they have many guys who work well and beyond harder than most wrestlers in the state. So, yeah I am sure Joe might have looked lazy compared to the numerous blue chip recruits he was wrestling with. Throw him in some d3 crap room, and he will be the poster boy for hard work. Also, during every off season, I saw Dennis almost at every off season tournament i was at. We were both also on team ohio, and he sure as hell didn't seem lazy then. I never heard of a lazy person that sacrifices his free time every saturday to wrestle in an off season tournament. LMAO on winning a state title/national title while being lazy.

2. Which brings me to my next point. If you don't do **** in the off season, your opposition will catch up to you, pretty simple. I have seen some pretty damn good wrestlers succeed one year, and then not do **** in the off season. Those guys end up falling short of what they were capable of, sometimes losing to wrestlers they had previously dominated.

However they did not put the work in, and they didn't even come close to their potential.

said_aouita;1003856 wrote:I ended up "switching" sports to something I loved more.

OK- Please explain why you are more creditable then me? What have you done?

like_that;1003857 wrote:You really think any of those NCAA champs are lazy during the off season and during practice? LMAO.

like_that;1003860 wrote:Nothing wrong with switching sports, wrestling isn't for everyone, but don't try and sit at your computer and act like you know a lot about wrestling, because you wrestled during your youth years, and your family members had success.

like that wrote:Since you apparently speak to the Jordans, do me a favor and tell them that you think XC is tougher than what Jordan's kids go through in practice.

OSH;1003670 wrote:Like I said...there are runners that don't have legs...

Manhattan Buckeye;1003618 wrote:Agree with all of that, I appreciate the work and effort that wrestlers put in, but running a 10K at the college level or the 5K at the HS level at a competitive pace is an amazing accomplishment, people strive for years to run a sub 15 minute 5K or a sub 33 minute 10K.

like_that;1003857 wrote:You really think any of those NCAA champs are lazy during the off season and during practice? LMAO.

said_aouita;1003879 wrote:Wrestlers without legs have qualified to the state wrestling meet and even won NCAA d1 titles.


(repeat)
Wrestling is tough but not as hard as XC.

said_aouita;1003863 wrote:I only know for a fact of a state and national HS wrestling champion being lazy in the off season and practice. I never said anything about NCAA champs.




Young grasshopper, my examples were only a few. I've been around the sport of wrestling, learning and observing probably longer then you've been alive.



Pay attention. Go back to my original comment to jmog. We are talking what sport is harder, not what sport is tougher.



No doubt wrestling is tough. I'd even be willing to say wrestling is tougher then XC.
The strain on the body from wrestling is horrible. The importance of being able to "grit your teeth" and push through it is more important in wrestling, then XC....
You can be a tough guy and win a state title in wrestling, not XC.

As far as wrestling being the hardest, no way. The hardest is XC.


biiiiiiiiiiiiig difference between what is harder or tougher.

said_aouita;1003863 wrote:biiiiiiiiiiiiig difference between what is harder or tougher.

like_that;1003966 wrote:lol , GTFO.

like that kid wrote:Also, if Jordan was your youth coach, you cant be THAT old. Nice try playing the age card, GTFO.

Commander of Awesome;1003993 wrote:lol at said_aouita trying to act like he knows about wrestling because he follows Graham (I've only ever seen him post about Graham as well). .

fail_dumbita;1003995 wrote:How much you like using comments like "LOL, LMAO and GTFO" shows your age.

Graham maybe was not the national power house they are now but still had multiple state placers when I was there.

I was coached by Jeff Jordan's father and uncle and my nephew was coached by Jeff at Graham.


Hope this helps.

said_aouita;1003995 wrote:How much you like using comments like "LOL, LMAO and GTFO" shows your age.

said_aouita;1004002 wrote:Obviously you're an idiot.

said_aouita;1004002 wrote:Obviously you're an idiot.

like_that;1004007 wrote:You honestly lost all credibility with your first idiotic post. Do yourself a favor, print off that post, and show it to Jeff Jordan, and then let me know if he considers you credible after reading it

said_aouita;1003191 wrote:Track and XC are probably the easiest to do but the hardest to excel in.

Commander of Awesome;1004011 wrote:Oh bitter because you're getting pwned and don't have a response? ok.

said_aouita;1004013 wrote:why would JJ's opinion on track and XC be more creditable then mine?




This was my first post.

hope this helps.

said_aouita;1003211 wrote:I've heard this many times before too. Been dozens of 4x state champs in wrestling. Not one 4x state champ ever in XC for the state of Ohio.
You can win a state title in wrestling (even a national title) just on pure talent while being "lazy" in practice. You could never do this in distance running or XC. Wrestling has an "off-season" where you can do nothing and not dramatically effect your ability to be successful in the sport, unlike distance running.


Too many intangibles in distance running....

said_aouita;1004036 wrote:This was my 1st comment on wrestling.




This one? No problem. btw- JJ was not the head coach of Graham and the "lazy" national champ I refer to.


I stand by my comment you can be less active in wrestling in the off-season and not lose as much ability and talent, compared to if you were inactive in the offseason as a distance runner.

like_that;1004052 wrote:Who was the "lazy" national champ?

ccrunner609;1003645 wrote:Running 45 minute 10k doesnt give you the ability to understand what a top tier runner goes through.