I wouldn't mind controlling their meals, but to have them be separated from the regular students for dining is pathetic in my opinion. If Florida/Texas/Southern Cal/Ohio State do that, fine, good for them. I personally am happy Notre Dame makes their student-athletes be student-athletes.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Still doesn't mean they'll be able to play defense. I'm not sold on Kelly competing at the highest level. The Big East is not the highest level.

Neither were OSU fans about Tressel. 12-0 in the Big East and a missed field goal away from a national championship appearance is a far cry from winning the Gateway conference.

sjmvsfscs08 wrote: I wouldn't mind controlling their meals, but to have them be separated from the regular students for dining is pathetic in my opinion. If Florida/Texas/Southern Cal/Ohio State do that, fine, good for them. I personally am happy Notre Dame makes their student-athletes be student-athletes.

Eating at the same table as the students doesn't "make them" be a student-athlete.

Mooney44Cards wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: Still doesn't mean they'll be able to play defense. I'm not sold on Kelly competing at the highest level. The Big East is not the highest level.

Neither were OSU fans about Tressel. 12-0 in the Big East and a missed field goal away from a national championship appearance is a far cry from winning the Gateway conference.

That's a point I can't argue. One thing Tressel did though was compete at the highest level of his level. One missed field goal or not--fact is they didn't make it and do you honestly think they would have challenged Bama? I don't. But we'll see. I'd like to see ND return to being a good program, it's good for college football. But we'll see. I definitely like the hire, it was their best option. They were never going to get Meyer and clearly they wouldn't get Stoops what he wanted--I'm not sure Stoops would have been any better for them than Kelly anyways.

SQ_Crazies wrote: That's a point I can't argue. One thing Tressel did though was compete at the highest level of his level. One missed field goal or not--fact is they didn't make it and do you honestly think they would have challenged Bama? I don't. But we'll see. I'd like to see ND return to being a good program, it's good for college football. But we'll see. I definitely like the hire, it was their best option. They were never going to get Meyer and clearly they wouldn't get Stoops what he wanted--I'm not sure Stoops would have been any better for them than Kelly anyways.

Kelly did compete at the highest level of his level. I will concede that the Big East is not the hardest conference in the NCAA. But the talent is relative. BK won two Big East Championships...which I consider the highest level of his level. He won MAC Championships...again, the highest level of his level. And he won National Championships in Div II...once again, the highest level of his level.

As far as the academic exceptions...I had a discussion with my dad and he brought up a very good point. Let's say that ND admits 5 or 6 academic exceptions, that would normally not get into the school, because they play football. Where do they go? ND doesn't have remedial classes. They don't baby the football players and actually expect them to work in their classes. So they allow in exceptions...and then the kids fail their classes and are academically ineligible. So what's the point of admitting them in the first place?

Conference titles are not the highest level--certainly a great achievement. I'll give you the D2 national titles, I forgot about him coaching at Grand Valley.

Hey, he's a good coach. I'm just sayin', to compete at the level that ND fans want and expect he's going to have to be better on D than he was at Cincy. Certainly he can recruit better players now--but Weis brought in some GREAT players on defense too and with the exception of McCarthy they were swiss cheese. And something to ponder is how much different do we really think Kelly is than Weis as far as coaching? I doubt he will make them THAT much better offensively--but that isn't really where they need to improve a whole lot. I'm just not sold on his ability to put a great defense on the field until he proves it to me--because he isn't going to simply be able to outscore USC. I'll certainly give him the chance, like I said, I hope he does. I'd love to see ND back in the top 25 every year--like I said, it's good for the game. But I'll give him 3 years and we'll see where they're at. I'm not sure we might not be hearing the same things we heard about Weis, but I have a lot more faith in Kelly than I ever did Weis.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Conference titles are not the highest level--certainly a great achievement. I'll give you the D2 national titles, I forgot about him coaching at Grand Valley.

Hey, he's a good coach. I'm just sayin', to compete at the level that ND fans want and expect he's going to have to be better on D than he was at Cincy. Certainly he can recruit better players now--but Weis brought in some GREAT players on defense too and with the exception of McCarthy they were swiss cheese. And something to ponder is how much different do we really think Kelly is than Weis as far as coaching? I doubt he will make them THAT much better offensively--but that isn't really where they need to improve a whole lot. I'm just not sold on his ability to put a great defense on the field until he proves it to me--because he isn't going to simply be able to outscore USC. I'll certainly give him the chance, like I said, I hope he does. I'd love to see ND back in the top 25 every year--like I said, it's good for the game. But I'll give him 3 years and we'll see where they're at. I'm not sure we might not be hearing the same things we heard about Weis, but I have a lot more faith in Kelly than I ever did Weis.

lets see here, prove it to you? how about the fact that cincys defense was rated higher than their offense last year? or possibly that brian kelly was known as a *defensive minded* coach at grand valley?

you have no clue, so move on along, you are making yourself look foolish...

Still waiting on a link...

rocket31 wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: Conference titles are not the highest level--certainly a great achievement. I'll give you the D2 national titles, I forgot about him coaching at Grand Valley.

Hey, he's a good coach. I'm just sayin', to compete at the level that ND fans want and expect he's going to have to be better on D than he was at Cincy. Certainly he can recruit better players now--but Weis brought in some GREAT players on defense too and with the exception of McCarthy they were swiss cheese. And something to ponder is how much different do we really think Kelly is than Weis as far as coaching? I doubt he will make them THAT much better offensively--but that isn't really where they need to improve a whole lot. I'm just not sold on his ability to put a great defense on the field until he proves it to me--because he isn't going to simply be able to outscore USC. I'll certainly give him the chance, like I said, I hope he does. I'd love to see ND back in the top 25 every year--like I said, it's good for the game. But I'll give him 3 years and we'll see where they're at. I'm not sure we might not be hearing the same things we heard about Weis, but I have a lot more faith in Kelly than I ever did Weis.

lets see here, prove it to you? how about the fact that cincys defense was rated higher than their offense last year? or possibly that brian kelly was known as a *defensive minded* coach at grand valley?

you have no clue, so move on along, you are making yourself look foolish...

I have no clue? Are you kidding me? What he did at Grand Valley really means jack shit other than his titles. Was he the best defensive minded coach in the Big East? FUCKKKK no. That defense was average at best which is exactly why you'll see Cincy get destroyed by Florida.

Still waiting on a link...

Btw, nobody is going to believe this based on your past "inside information." Further, please post a high school bio complete with wrestling statistics and a picture of you with Te'o and/or Golden Tate.

k thanx

SQ_Crazies wrote: Conference titles are not the highest level--certainly a great achievement. I'll give you the D2 national titles, I forgot about him coaching at Grand Valley.

I agree. Conference titles are not the highest level...for the likes of the Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, USC, etc. However, the Big East is a conference that is not going to contend for a National Title year in and year out. Sure they may have a fluke year where a Big East team gets close...but for the most part, the Big East will be an average conference and will be on the outside looking in. The same with the MAC. No MAC team will be playing for the NC. So if we can agree that the Big East and the MAC are conferences that are not going to contend for a National Championship on a regular basis...then the conference championship IS the highest level that team can achieve. Brian Kelly led his teams to that level.

SQ_Crazies wrote:
I have no clue? Are you kidding me? What he did at Grand Valley really means jack shit other than his titles. Was he the best defensive minded coach in the Big East? FUCKKKK no. That defense was average at best which is exactly why you'll see Cincy get destroyed by Florida.

yes, no clue. that is obvious.

for starters you *forgot* about his coaching stint at grand valley, then went on a tard rant about *proving* he can coach defense to you, when he already has proven it at grand valley, cmu, and cincy last season.

and in regards to the cincy defensive unit this year, they had to replace 10 starters, yes TEN STARTERS. hence, the reason they were rated outside the preseason top 25.

Yeah, and they went undefeated didn't they? So clearly the replacements weren't THAT bad. But his defense was never that great and I don't give a damn where his defense was ever ranked in the nation while at Cincy. He played a BIG EAST schedule. Just wait and see, I'm telling you, Cincy is going to get blown off the field by Florida. That's the kind of team that ND is going to have to beat to get where their fans want. Not Pitt (well, I'm sure they'd start there since even ND can't beat Pitt), not WVU but Florida, OSU, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. The best of the best--not the best of the BIG EAST! Just saying Big East makes me shake in my basketball shoes!

SQ, the point is that he coaches to the team's strengths rather than forcing his own way with the team one way or another. The end result you see for this year is a team that he knew had to just outscore everybody rather than rely on his defense to make stops. When he has talented, experienced players on D I trust he will have a great D.

We'll see.

Jesus though, this rocket guy is a typical ND fan and a great example of why most of the rest of the college landscape hates ND anymore. Jump down your throat rather quickly--a little too touchy, just like my friends who are ND fans. It's sort of pathetic that someone gets THAT caught up in it really. It's funny that THAT is the reaction I got based on what I said...just imagine if I would have said something like, "they'll suck worse with Brian Kelly than they did with Weis".

another thing one needs to consider when discussing the cincy defensive unit is this:

cincy scores, and scores quickly.

they rank 119th in time of possession. (25:07 mpg)

therefore, the cincy defense A) does not get to rest while the offense has the ball and B) they are on the field a lot more.

btw, i dont disagree that cincy wont struggle with florida, because they will (but that isnt because kelly doesnt know how to coach defense) florida is just a far superior team.

SQ_Crazies wrote: We'll see.

Jesus though, this rocket guy is a typical ND fan and a great example of why most of the rest of the college landscape hates ND anymore. Jump down your throat rather quickly--a little too touchy, just like my friends who are ND fans. It's sort of pathetic that someone gets THAT caught up in it really. It's funny that THAT is the reaction I got based on what I said...just imagine if I would have said something like, "they'll suck worse with Brian Kelly than they did with Weis".

you dont know what you are talking about that is the reason.

if you did, i would have no need to *jump down your throat*

those who criticize kellys defensive coaching abilities are ill-informed. i am sorry.

I'd like to come into this thread and take this opportunity to say that Notre Dame sucks and I hate them.

Newarkcatholicfag?! I'm I seeing things?

athlete37 wrote: ND prides itself on making the athletes a normal part of the student body and wants them to be integrated in with the rest of the community-like campus so that their punk ass quarterback can be appropriately bitch slapped just like any other punk ass bitch who deserves it would be outside a bar on a Saturday night.

That is big of you to admit this.

Man that would almost be funny if you could form a complete coherent sentence.

thug

Looks like the BK hire at Notre Dame will take some of the Buckeye fans' attention away from RRod bashing for awhile.

Alright, just a disclaimed because ABC was full of shit when they said this, but Calculus is not a requirement for all majors. You simply need two maths to meet University req.'s:http://registrar.nd.edu/BOI/BOI0910UG.pdf

rocket31 wrote: florida is just a far superior team.

But Cincy is undefeated!!!

Pretty much proves my point--so Kelly might be able to win most the games on a typical ND schedule, but I'm still not sold on his ability to compete at the highest level.