jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 15, 2011 7:17am
queencitybuckeye;1015513 wrote:It's the opinion of people actually in the game, they know.
Are these the same people who made the determination that Josh McDaniels was a "top assistant"
I know McDaniels is an NFL guy, but the point remains the same. Top assistants get exposed all the time
OneBuckeye
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Dec 15, 2011 8:08am
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 8:10am
So if it was say, 51 Heacock and 49 Fickell, how would it not be "their" defense. A family friend who is a walk on linebacker said Fickell called just as much of the defense and was just as involved with game planning as Heacock was under Tressel. It was THEIR defense the past few years.jordo212000;1015312 wrote:I know for a fact that Heacock had 'more' to do with it
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 15, 2011 8:11am
I hope I'm wrong and he's an awesome defensive coordinator. I also hope it doesn't take him almost half of the season to adjust like it did this past year
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Dec 15, 2011 9:56am
Exposed how? McDaniels was and is a top NFL assistant. Failing as a head coach doesn't make it not so, completely different skill sets.jordo212000;1015527 wrote:Are these the same people who made the determination that Josh McDaniels was a "top assistant"
I know McDaniels is an NFL guy, but the point remains the same. Top assistants get exposed all the time
Speedofsand
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Dec 15, 2011 11:37am
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 15, 2011 12:39pm
He is definitely not a top NFL assistant. His Tom Brady-less stops have been extremely poor. He singlehandedly drove the Broncos into the ground.queencitybuckeye;1015677 wrote:Exposed how? McDaniels was and is a top NFL assistant. Failing as a head coach doesn't make it not so, completely different skill sets.
Sam Bradford looks nothing like the QB that we saw last year, etc. That's not the point though. The main point was that just because a handful of people thought he was going to be a top asisstant coach, it doesn't mean he'll always be one. I was also making the point that Heacock has been the main guy on the defense for the past few years. Sure Fickell maybe chipped in, but you are kidding yourself if you think he was calling the shots.
So... judging by the way he handled Bauserman's inept play, his inability to manage games (timeouts, etc.), and refusal to do anything other than status quo... I come to the conclusion that I remain unexcited to see Fickell be "the guy" defensively. He may prove me wrong though and I hope he does.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 12:54pm
Yes, he called defensive plays and created game plans. FACTjordo212000;1015832 wrote:He is definitely not a top NFL assistant. His Tom Brady-less stops have been extremely poor. He singlehandedly drove the Broncos into the ground.
Sam Bradford looks nothing like the QB that we saw last year, etc. That's not the point though. The main point was that just because a handful of people thought he was going to be a top asisstant coach, it doesn't mean he'll always be one. I was also making the point that Heacock has been the main guy on the defense for the past few years. Sure Fickell maybe chipped in, but you are kidding yourself if you think he was calling the shots.
I dunno what his decisions on offense and as a head coach have to do with him being able to sucessfully focus on and run a defense.So... judging by the way he handled Bauserman's inept play, his inability to manage games (timeouts, etc.), and refusal to do anything other than status quo... I come to the conclusion that I remain unexcited to see Fickell be "the guy" defensively. He may prove me wrong though and I hope he does.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Dec 15, 2011 1:00pm
When was McDaniels an assistant coach for the Broncos?jordo212000;1015832 wrote:He is definitely not a top NFL assistant. His Tom Brady-less stops have been extremely poor. He singlehandedly drove the Broncos into the ground.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 16, 2011 12:36pm
Fick has reportedly interviewed at Pitt....
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/16/1216-fickell-reportedly-interviews-at-pitt.html
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/16/1216-fickell-reportedly-interviews-at-pitt.html
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 16, 2011 6:22pm
Give the guy a break. He was asked to take over a situation that was a complete MESS. I am not sure ANYONE could have done anymore. Yes, I don't think he was ready to be a head coach at this level. But he was handed the keys to a completely wreck, not able to fix much(keep current coaches) and went with what he had to. I would like to believe if he had been given the opportunity, many changes would have occurred. But he wasn't. I did not like his handling of game situations either. But again, the guy was put into a NO WIN situation this year. Hard to gauge someone based on what he was handed.jordo212000;1015832 wrote:So... judging by the way he handled Bauserman's inept play, his inability to manage games (timeouts, etc.), and refusal to do anything other than status quo... I come to the conclusion that I remain unexcited to see Fickell be "the guy" defensively. He may prove me wrong though and I hope he does.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 16, 2011 6:36pm
Jordo is the only clown not satisfied with Fickell, cant say im surprised. Its not like people are out there trying to hire him for HC or anything...........
I praise him for the job he did.I think he did a GREAT job considering the circumstances. If he stays ill be happy, if he leaves, good for him.
I praise him for the job he did.I think he did a GREAT job considering the circumstances. If he stays ill be happy, if he leaves, good for him.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 16, 2011 7:03pm
Check your factsLJ;1015858 wrote:Yes, he called defensive plays and created game plans. FACT
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/41294/fickell-to-call-osu-defense-withers-in-mixThe 2012 season will give Fickell a chance to showcase his play-calling ability, as Jim Heacock has served as Ohio State's primary defensive coordinator since 2005.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 16, 2011 7:05pm
jordo212000;1017572 wrote:Check your facts
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/41294/fickell-to-call-osu-defense-withers-in-mix
Uhhh.... Sure
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 16, 2011 7:05pm
False. Go back and read the game threads and discussion from this past season. Plenty of people were unhappy with Fickell. Your memory is truly terrible if you think I am the only person who has been /was critical of Fickell.Pick6;1017559 wrote:Jordo is the only clown not satisfied with Fickell, cant say im surprised. Its not like people are out there trying to hire him for HC or anything...........
I praise him for the job he did.I think he did a GREAT job considering the circumstances. If he stays ill be happy, if he leaves, good for him.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 16, 2011 7:10pm
Fickell was definitely put in a tough situation and it was shame he didn't have more latitude with the coaches.centralbucksfan;1017544 wrote:Give the guy a break. He was asked to take over a situation that was a complete MESS. I am not sure ANYONE could have done anymore. Yes, I don't think he was ready to be a head coach at this level. But he was handed the keys to a completely wreck, not able to fix much(keep current coaches) and went with what he had to. I would like to believe if he had been given the opportunity, many changes would have occurred. But he wasn't. I did not like his handling of game situations either. But again, the guy was put into a NO WIN situation this year. Hard to gauge someone based on what he was handed.
"If" he was calling the defense like some suggest he was, then I am truly scared to death with him being given the keys. The defense was a major disappointment this season. For whatever reason Shazier was getting Klein's water for 3/4 of the season.
My main problem with him was his inability to adjust at all. Defensively and offensively. It took the team 2-3 weeks to adjust and he was outcoached on a consistent basis.
As I said before, I hope I am wrong, and I hope he does a great job next year. But going off of what I saw from him last year, I'm not too enthused about the defense. Give me Withers.
jordo212000
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Dec 16, 2011 7:25pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/979309-understanding-arkansas-route-to-paul-haynes-over-randy-shannon-as-new-dcHaynes shared co-defensive coordinators duties with Jim Heacock this season. Between the two new co-defensive coordinators, Heacock was the defensive play caller during the 2011 season, not Haynes
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/06/veteran_coach_heacock_likely_t.htmlJim Heacock and Luke Fickell were co-defensive coordinators, though Heacock made the defensive calls and was the 1 to Fickell's 1A.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 16, 2011 8:00pm
Thats neet.
I never said Fick was the primary dc. He did call plays and he did make gameplans tho
I never said Fick was the primary dc. He did call plays and he did make gameplans tho
Red Right 21
Posts: 88
Dec 16, 2011 8:26pm
Josh did a great job with a backup QB at NE and got him set up for a sweet deal in KC. Agree that he struggled as a head coach but he did draft a QB while at Denver that is doing pretty well this year. Not every assistant coach is cut out to be a head coach,but that doesn't mean he is a bust as a coach.jordo212000;1015832 wrote:He is definitely not a top NFL assistant. His Tom Brady-less stops have been extremely poor. He singlehandedly drove the Broncos into the ground.
Sam Bradford looks nothing like the QB that we saw last year, etc. That's not the point though. The main point was that just because a handful of people thought he was going to be a top asisstant coach, it doesn't mean he'll always be one. I was also making the point that Heacock has been the main guy on the defense for the past few years. Sure Fickell maybe chipped in, but you are kidding yourself if you think he was calling the shots.
So... judging by the way he handled Bauserman's inept play, his inability to manage games (timeouts, etc.), and refusal to do anything other than status quo... I come to the conclusion that I remain unexcited to see Fickell be "the guy" defensively. He may prove me wrong though and I hope he does.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Dec 16, 2011 10:27pm
Fickell has been offered the Pitt job. Has the weekend to decide.
I figured he'd leave at some point, but not this soon. Would really hate to see him go so soon.
I figured he'd leave at some point, but not this soon. Would really hate to see him go so soon.
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Dec 16, 2011 11:15pm
@ WPXI_BPhillips 11m # Pitt officials tell me no offer has been made to Luke Fickell for HC Footbal position - reports that an offer has bee made are "false"
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 17, 2011 1:16am
This all but seals it.Tiger2003;1017717 wrote:@ WPXI_BPhillips 11m # Pitt officials tell me no offer has been made to Luke Fickell for HC Footbal position - reports that an offer has bee made are "false"
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Dec 17, 2011 11:27am
Fickell is saying he's had contact with Pitt but no offer has been made yet. I doubt he'd lie about that.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Dec 18, 2011 9:21pm
I have this nagging feeling that Meyer would be thrilled if Luke took that Pitt job.
I know I would be happy to see him go.
I know I would be happy to see him go.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 19, 2011 8:12am
I'd say you're roughly 100% wrong. Why would he want one of the best recruiters in the country to leave? You can attribute alot of the recruiting success to Fickell, he stayed in the ear of recruits, and as soon as the coaching situation was solidified, they started flipping.stlouiedipalma;1019473 wrote:I have this nagging feeling that Meyer would be thrilled if Luke took that Pitt job.
I know I would be happy to see him go.