cats gone wild;988614 wrote:Clemson does the normal Clemson choke job. Hyped again, but fail for another season.

Clemson was just doing what Clemson does. I never take them seriously because I know that soon enough they will have it coming down their leg. The sad thing is, that conference is ripe for the picking too. Va Tech has a great set-up over there

jordo212000;988698 wrote:Clemson was just doing what Clemson does. I never take them seriously because I know that soon enough they will have it coming down their leg. The sad thing is, that conference is ripe for the picking too. Va Tech has a great set-up over there

Clemson has won more ACC titles than anyone else in the conference...:huh:

Skyhook79;988713 wrote:Clemson has won more ACC titles than anyone else in the conference...:huh:

They haven't won one since 1991? and Va Tech just joined the conference a few years ago.

enigmaax;988603 wrote:But that is for the normal bowl selection. They don't have a reason to break the tie for BCS purposes. TCU goes to the #1 MWC bowl whether Boise goes to the BCS or not. I just don't think the MWC would say, "well, TCU wins the tiebreaker, so they are our BCS candidate" when they won't be eligible. I believe they'd call it a tie, expect Boise to get the BCS autobid and TCU would still get its rightful reward in the #1 MWC bowl (I don't even know what that is anymore).

None of it is likely since TCU probably is going to have little trouble with UNLV. But there would be no reason to use a tiebreaker in that scenario since doing so/not doing so doesn't affect TCU's bowl.

A conference can't just make up rules whenever they want. TCU are conference champs, it's already been decided.

jordo212000;988731 wrote:They haven't won one since 1991? and Va Tech just joined the conference a few years ago.

and that changes the fact how?

dave;988733 wrote:A conference can't just make up rules whenever they want. TCU are conference champs, it's already been decided.

I'm sorry you don't understand it. In the scenario being discussed, they'd be co-champs. The tiebreaker isn't to make one or the other champion of the conference, they would both be that. The tiebreaker is to determine bowl selection. TCU wouldn't be eligible for the BCS bowl, Boise would. Boise would go to the BCS bowl with an autobid. If Boise wasn't eligible for that BCS autobid, TCU would win the head-to-head tiebreaker and go to the MWC #1 bowl and Boise would go to the #2 MWC bowl. That wouldn't be the case, so the tiebreaker wouldn't be relevant.

It looks like TCU might move into the top 16 and get an auto bid. Currently 18th. Baylor won (#17), so they'll stay ahead of TCU. Meaning TCU needs to pass up 2 other teams.

Georgia is the current #14, then either #13 MSU or #15 Wisconsin is going to lose, and Houston lost as well. Plus who knows how far Oklahoma would drop if they lose to OSU.

The only way I could see them not cracking the top 16 is for Clemson (#20) to beat Va Tech and jump them, and for either Houston, Georgia, or the Wisky/MSU loser to not be punished too much for losing a conference title game and staying in the top 16.

Not that too much changes, as they'd just be taking Houston's auto-bid spot.

TCU vs Michigan in the Sugar is likely now but not a lock like Houston would have been.

I'm figuring the final BCS standings look about like this:

1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Stanford
5. Boise State
6. Arkansas
7. Oregon
8. Kansas State
9. Wisconsin
10. South Carolina
11. Clemson
12. Virginia Tech
13. Oklahoma
14. Michigan
15. Houston
16. Baylor
17. TCU
18. Nebraska
19. Michigan State
20. West virginia


If Michigan doesn't get up to 14, obviously they won't be picked. If TCU gets up to 16 then they get an automatic bid and go to the Orange Bowl, moving WVU to the Sugar Bowl. If Oklahoma State jumps Alabama then shakes things up a bit as well.


Auto Bids

SEC - LSU
Big Ten - Wisconsin
Pac-12 - Oregon
ACC - Clemson
Big XII - Oklahoma State
Big East - West Virginia

BCS Top 4 - Stanford
BCS #2 - Alabama

Selection Order:
Sugar (to replace LSU): Michigan
Fiesta: Stanford
Sugar: Oklahoma
Orange: West Virginia


BCS National Championship Game
LSU (13-0, 8-0, SEC Champion) vs. Alabama (11-1, 7-1, At Large)

Rose Bowl
Wisconsin (11-2, 7-1, Big Ten Champion) vs. Oregon (11-2, 8-1, Pac-12 Champion)

Fiesta Bowl
Oklahoma State (11-1, 8-1, Big XII Champion) vs. Stanford (11-1, 8-1, At Large)

Orange Bowl
Clemson (10-3, 6-2, ACC Champion) vs. West Virginia (9-3, 5-2, Big East Champion)

Sugar Bowl
Michigan (10-2, 6-2, At Large) vs. Oklahoma (9-3, 6-3, At Large)

Michigan State should go...not Michigan....if anything.

Footwedge;1000197 wrote:Michigan State should go...not Michigan....if anything.

I agree.

Footwedge;1000197 wrote:Michigan State should go...not Michigan....if anything.

First time in my life I agree with Footwedge

"Sugar Bowl
Michigan (10-2, 6-2, At Large) vs. Oklahoma (9-3, 6-3, At Large)"

As much as I hate Virginia Tech, I don't see Okie getting the bid over them.

I don't think Oklahoma will finish in the top 14.

1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. OSU
4. Stanford
5. Boise State
6. Arkansas
7. Oregon
8. Kansas State
9. Wisconsin
10. South Carolina
11. Clemson
12. Virginia Tech
13. Michigan
14. Baylor

Oklahoma will be 14th at best, but I think Baylor jumps them in the human polls and Baylor's computer numbers will go up by beating Texas (and the TCU win is going to look a little bit better too).

Oklahoma will be fighting with Michigan State, Houston, and TCU for 15th in my opinion.

Pretty much only one bcs bowl is set..craziness

BCSGuru BCS Guru



Coaches will have Bama at No. 2 as will Harris voters. BUT ... I'm projecting OSU to be at No. 2 in the BCS standings.

interesting

can't see MSU falling below tsun--imo

dazedconfused;1000265 wrote:BCSGuru BCS Guru



Coaches will have Bama at No. 2 as will Harris voters. BUT ... I'm projecting OSU to be at No. 2 in the BCS standings.

interesting

If that happens then I figure it will be Alabama vs. Stanford in the Sugar Bowl and Michigan vs. Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.

vball10set;1000270 wrote:can't see MSU falling below tsun--imo

They will.

Manhattan Buckeye;1000206 wrote:"Sugar Bowl
Michigan (10-2, 6-2, At Large) vs. Oklahoma (9-3, 6-3, At Large)"

As much as I hate Virginia Tech, I don't see Okie getting the bid over them.

The only way Virginia Tech would be picked at large by anyone is if they are the only major conference team in the top 14 eligible to be picked, and even then they might take Boise over them.

Footwedge;1000197 wrote:Michigan State should go...not Michigan....if anything.

+1

LOL @Michigan even in the discussion to get a BCS bowl.

Cleveland Buck;1000392 wrote:They will.

maybe, but imo, they shouldn't

slmandel RT @nicoleauerbach: USA TODAY coaches poll (points): 1. LSU (1475) 2. Alabama (1399) 3. Oklahoma State (1367) 4. Stanford (1286) 12/4/11 12:29 PM

Going to be close...OK St gained a lot of ground and is expected to lead in the computers.

Only 32 points behind bama is huge for osu. I'm hoping they will sneak in

Oklahoma State will be in the title game if the Harris poll shows a similar jump.