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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Nov 10, 2011 11:52am
Would it be correct to assume all the Paterno apologists would feel Paterno did all he was obligated to do if their son was raped in 2005 by Sandusky? He went up the chain of command, right?
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Nov 10, 2011 11:55am
I'd be pissed at McQueary for not stopping it.dat dude;966588 wrote:Would it be correct to assume all the Paterno apologists would feel Paterno did all he was obligated to do if their son was raped in 2005 by Sandusky? He went up the chain of command, right?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 10, 2011 11:56am
The disgust I have has never been based on if Paterno did all he was obligated to do.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Nov 10, 2011 11:57am
Well, that's obvious. My question was in reference to Paterno. You would be ok with how he handled the situation?bigkahuna;966594 wrote:I'd be pissed at McQueary for not stopping it.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 10, 2011 12:03pm
The attorney is playing to the media, which gets more sympathy and possibly a bigger settlement down the road. I doubt he has anyone's interest here other than his own pocketbook. The idea that people are going to blame the victims for Paterno getting fired is repugnant, regardless of what some foolish students did. I'd wager even the students wouldn't dream of blaming the victims.gorocks99;966574 wrote:Interesting quotes from an attorney advising the victims: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_board_of_trustees_g.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The attorney is full of shit.
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alwaysawarrior
Posts: 53
Nov 10, 2011 12:05pm
First this dude has been "advising" "some" of the victims families. Secondly after seeing that mob last night, do you think the victims who I assume live in that area, want to be associated with any of this? Its sad that the students rioting didn't realize the effect this would have on the victims as well.gorocks99;966574 wrote:Interesting quotes from an attorney advising the victims: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_board_of_trustees_g.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Nov 10, 2011 12:10pm
Now there's a rumor from Greg Doyle that there may be new info.. That Sandusky and the second mile were pimping the kids out to rich men. Then in exchange for a cover up, Sandusky retired. I hope this isn't true!!!
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Nov 10, 2011 12:11pm
Yes, it is shit like this that keeps victims silent in the first place. So now, add bearing the brunt of Paterno's firing and public hate to the original crime against them, the subsequent fear of outing such a prominent figure, and the fact that other adults aware of the situation failed to save them from the situation. When are these guys going to catch a break?alwaysawarrior;966609 wrote:First this dude has been "advising" "some" of the victims families. Secondly after seeing that mob last night, do you think the victims who I assume live in that area, want to be associated with any of this? Its sad that the students rioting didn't realize the effect this would have on the victims as well.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Nov 10, 2011 12:14pm
99.99% of my anger would be directed at Jerry Sandusky the other .01 would be divided up among the 2 detectives and 1 investigator in 1998,the BOT who gave Sandusky emeritus Status in 1999,the 2 janitors in 2000,the 2 superiors JoePa told and Mike McQueary in 2002.dat dude;966588 wrote:Would it be correct to assume all the Paterno apologists would feel Paterno did all he was obligated to do if their son was raped in 2005 by Sandusky? He went up the chain of command, right?
Hope that helps
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 10, 2011 12:14pm
Hopefully, the boys/men who were molested are in counseling and a good counselor will help them wade through the crap like this attorney is spewing.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Nov 10, 2011 12:17pm
This is how I feel.Skyhook79;966626 wrote:99.99% of my anger would be directed at Jerry Sandusky the other .01 would be divided up among the 2 detectives and 1 investigator in 1998,the BOT who gave Sandusky emeritus Status in 1999,the 2 janitors in 2000,the 2 superiors JoePa told and Mike McQueary in 2002.
Hope that helps
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 10, 2011 12:20pm
Hate to say it, but I agree with skyhook. Seems pretty irrational to blame all this on JoePA. Just an example of the media (mainly BSPN) dictating how people should feel. PSU deciding to fire JoePA, but allowing the red head to coach is a prime example of how the opinions of the media played a hand in PSU's decision making. Why has the discussion solely been on JoePA lately, and no one has even said a word about Sandusky? If I recall correctly, Sandusky was the one who raped little kids. JoePA's 61 years of integrity oughta count for something. At least let the man have his word in court, before you call for his head. It's unbelievable how many people choose to focus on JoePA, when they should focus on the piece of shit who committed the crimes.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 10, 2011 12:22pm
Are people really blaming all of this on the Coach?
Just because I think is actions, or lack thereof, were despicable and he shouldn't any longer be associated with the University doesn't mean I blame it all on the Coach.
Just because I think is actions, or lack thereof, were despicable and he shouldn't any longer be associated with the University doesn't mean I blame it all on the Coach.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Nov 10, 2011 12:26pm
It does, thanks. Your avoidance of the question presented tells me everything I need to know.Skyhook79;966626 wrote:99.99% of my anger would be directed at Jerry Sandusky the other .01 would be divided up among the 2 detectives and 1 investigator in 1998,the BOT who gave Sandusky emeritus Status in 1999,the 2 janitors in 2000,the 2 superiors JoePa told and Mike McQueary in 2002.
Hope that helps
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 10, 2011 12:26pm
Ridiculous. Why aren't we commenting on Sandusky? Well, there's a separate thread if you want to comment on him. But the fact is: pretty much everyone on here agrees that Sandusky is worse than an animal and should be punished as harshly as the law allows.like_that;966642 wrote:Hate to say it, but I agree with skyhook. Seems pretty irrational to blame all this on JoePA. Just an example of the media (mainly BSPN) dictating how people should feel. PSU deciding to fire JoePA, but allowing the red head to coach is a prime example of how the opinions of the media played a hand in PSU's decision making. Why has the discussion solely been on JoePA lately, and no one has even said a word about Sandusky? If I recall correctly, Sandusky was the one who raped little kids. JoePA's 61 years of integrity oughta count for something. At least let the man have his word in court, before you call for his head. It's unbelievable how many people choose to focus on JoePA, when they should focus on the piece of **** who committed the crimes.
As for Paterno...he aided and abetted these rapes by his silence. His own sworn testimony before the grand jury proves he knew something sexual happened in the shower a decade ago, yet he did nothing more than the very minimal. He deserves to be fired. So does everyone else who helped cover this up and didn't act and has been let go.
The only reason McQueary is there, in my opinion, is that he has a deal with the prosecutor to testify and the board is honoring that deal.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Nov 10, 2011 12:27pm
This. Sandusky is the monster, what is there to talk about with him? At this point, the conversation naturally turns to those who could have limited the damage done and did not.Con_Alma;966647 wrote:Are people really blaming all of this on the Coach?
Just because I think is actions, or lack thereof, were despicable and he shouldn't any longer be associated with the University doesn't mean I blame it all on the Coach.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Nov 10, 2011 12:55pm
For the people complaining that McQueary is still around but Joe Pa was fired...
Joe Paterno was in a position of power (above Sandusky) and in general a position of power in the institution as a whole. He was arguably the most powerful (influential) individual at PSU. He had a lot of power over the situation and how things should proceed.
McQueary was at the time a graduate assistant. He had relatively little power and absolutely no authority over how the situation should proceed. The extent of his power was to tell other people. He thought he told the right person when he went to Joe Pa.
To equate the two is to ignore the vast power differences between them.
Joe Paterno was in a position of power (above Sandusky) and in general a position of power in the institution as a whole. He was arguably the most powerful (influential) individual at PSU. He had a lot of power over the situation and how things should proceed.
McQueary was at the time a graduate assistant. He had relatively little power and absolutely no authority over how the situation should proceed. The extent of his power was to tell other people. He thought he told the right person when he went to Joe Pa.
To equate the two is to ignore the vast power differences between them.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Nov 10, 2011 12:59pm
Last time I checked Joe Pa and McQuery both know how to use a phone and both could have called the police.
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Nov 10, 2011 1:05pm
Quite frankly, the rest of the season should be forfeited. We all know that is not going to happen so the next best thing would be to gid rid of the entire PSU coaching staff. However, there is no way a new staff could have been bought in to coach the rest of the season.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Nov 10, 2011 1:08pm
Didn't Joe Pa do the same thing but alerting his superior? Joe Pa doesn't have power over state law, nice try though.Fly4Fun;966709 wrote:For the people complaining that McQueary is still around but Joe Pa was fired...
Joe Paterno was in a position of power (above Sandusky) and in general a position of power in the institution as a whole. He was arguably the most powerful (influential) individual at PSU. He had a lot of power over the situation and how things should proceed.
McQueary was at the time a graduate assistant. He had relatively little power and absolutely no authority over how the situation should proceed. The extent of his power was to tell other people. He thought he told the right person when he went to Joe Pa.
To equate the two is to ignore the vast power differences between them.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Nov 10, 2011 1:09pm
Obviously NOT all the blame is on Paterno. The University President has been fired. The AD was put on leave, which means he will be fired after his trial. The VP over campus police has been fired and is facing a criminal trial. I bet others will be fired before this is all over.Con_Alma;966647 wrote:Are people really blaming all of this on the Coach?
Just because I think is actions, or lack thereof, were despicable and he shouldn't any longer be associated with the University doesn't mean I blame it all on the Coach.
Paterno alone is being blamed??? What planet have you been living one???
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 10, 2011 1:11pm
He is responding to me. I just think its ridiculous how most of the attention is on Paterno now.Big Gain;966730 wrote:Obviously NOT all the blame is on Paterno. The University President has been fired. The AD was put on leave, which means he will be fired after his trial. The VP over campus police has been fired and is facing a criminal trial. I bet others will be fired before this is all over.
Paterno alone is being blamed??? What planet have you been living one???
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 10, 2011 1:14pm
Joe Pa has no power over the institution. If he did, why would he fire himself? Joe Pa has bosses too and he did exactly the right thing, both morally and legally. Morally because you don't just go throwing around accusations that such and such raped a child, legally because that is the protocol in how to handle criminal cases involved at any university.Fly4Fun;966709 wrote:For the people complaining that McQueary is still around but Joe Pa was fired...
Joe Paterno was in a position of power (above Sandusky) and in general a position of power in the institution as a whole. He was arguably the most powerful (influential) individual at PSU. He had a lot of power over the situation and how things should proceed.
McQueary was at the time a graduate assistant. He had relatively little power and absolutely no authority over how the situation should proceed. The extent of his power was to tell other people. He thought he told the right person when he went to Joe Pa.
To equate the two is to ignore the vast power differences between them.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Nov 10, 2011 1:16pm
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 10, 2011 1:23pm
sleeper;966740 wrote:Joe Pa has no power over the institution. If he did, why would he fire himself? Joe Pa has bosses too and he did exactly the right thing, both morally and legally. Morally because you don't just go throwing around accusations that such and such raped a child, legally because that is the protocol in how to handle criminal cases involved at any university.
Exactly people don't get it that joe pa followed the right steps. Who seriously calls the police on hearsay? He filled a report with campus police what more do you want the guy to do? Joe pa will forever be a legend and one of the greatest people in college football history. What he has done for the university, basically donating his pay check from the university every year back into the school. The reason he was fired is because the board has wanted him gone for a whole now and this was the way to get rid of him