ytownfootball;972929 wrote:Name one other human being other than the victims mother who even considered it.
We can agree universally he didn't do enough.

Considered what?

Skyhook79;972917 wrote:You left out Tressel covered up stuff and lied. I am 100% sure he wishes he did it different and not buying Tressel believes he did nothing wrong.

You have made your stance abundantly clear sir. We all know what happened at the point he found out. I didn't figure I needed to spell that out again.

Falcons53;972931 wrote:I follow you. I said it in an earlier post as well. Based on the facts we know and the intensity of the situation, there is no way the BoT could keep Paterno. He has no case for wrongful termination, so it was a no-brainer to fire him. I believe they gave him the chance to resign and he refused, essentially forcing their hand.

In McQueary, you have a case for wrongful termination. He took the issue to his superior and reported it, therefore satisfying his legal obligation (I refuse to debate the other things he should have done). The university, similar to the case with AD Curley, must allow the process to play out before decisions are made on their future. They are employees and have rights and legal protection. The University as a whole is going to lose millions over this. If they fire those two now, they will lose millions more from their easy to win lawsuits. After he is found guilty of perjury, Curley will be fired. McQueary will not be found guilty of any crime, no matter how hard people on the internet try to re-write the US Legal Codes overnight, lol. He will never coach another game at Penn State and maybe at no other school IMHO. Now we will see if he resigns or makes the BoT fire him under some moral/ethical clause in their contracts.

You do realize Paterno reported to his superior also therefore satisfying his legal obligation? ( I refuse to debate the other things he should have done)

Falcons53;972931 wrote:I follow you. I said it in an earlier post as well. Based on the facts we know and the intensity of the situation, there is no way the BoT could keep Paterno. He has no case for wrongful termination, so it was a no-brainer to fire him. I believe they gave him the chance to resign and he refused, essentially forcing their hand.

In McQueary, you have a case for wrongful termination. He took the issue to his superior and reported it, therefore satisfying his legal obligation (I refuse to debate the other things he should have done). The university, similar to the case with AD Curley, must allow the process to play out before decisions are made on their future. They are employees and have rights and legal protection. The University as a whole is going to lose millions over this. If they fire those two now, they will lose millions more from their easy to win lawsuits. After he is found guilty of perjury, Curley will be fired. McQueary will not be found guilty of any crime, no matter how hard people on the internet try to re-write the US Legal Codes overnight, lol. He will never coach another game at Penn State and maybe at no other school IMHO. Now we will see if he resigns or makes the BoT fire him under some moral/ethical clause in their contracts.

Agree completely re: Curley and McQueary. Don't see either of them employed at this level ever again.

Skyhook79;972937 wrote:Considered what?

Doing anything, anything at all.

Skyhook79;970210 wrote:Prosecutors are so good that after the GJ testimony it still took them 11 months to arrest Jerry Sandusky, a supposed serial rapist.

Gotta get that 409th win man. Even prosecuters know their limitations.

Footwedge;972951 wrote:Gotta get that 409th win man. Even prosecuters know their limitations.

lol w/reps....when I heard that timeline on ESPN yesterday, my cynical side thought the SAME FRICKIN' THING--get the 409, and THEN prosecute

Skyhook79;972943 wrote:You do realize Paterno reported to his superior also therefore satisfying his legal obligation? ( I refuse to debate the other things he should have done)

He has no case for wrongful termination because he admitted to knowing what happened and there is a legal question about "superior" given the fact that he was on the committe that hired the AD. There is case law for that (I don't have the ambition to look it up).

The university had to fire him, it sucks as a JoePa fan, but it was the right decision for the school. I still have my basement decorated with Penn State stuff and will never take down any of my signed Joe Paterno items. I still believe 60 years outweighs the bad decision when it comes to saying is he a bad guy or not. Remember, he molested nobody. I could not have written a better last sentence than you already have.

Falcons53;972954 wrote:He has no case for wrongful termination because he admitted to knowing what happened and there is a legal question about "superior" given the fact that he was on the committe that hired the AD. There is case law for that (I don't have the ambition to look it up).

The university had to fire him, it sucks as a JoePa fan, but it was the right decision for the school. I still have my basement decorated with Penn State stuff and will never take down any of my signed Joe Paterno items. I still believe 60 years outweighs the bad decision when it comes to saying is he a bad guy or not. Remember, he molested nobody. I could not have written a better last sentence than you already have.

reps for loyalty

Rape of little boys >>>>>>>>>lying to the NCAA over some rule where they sold stuff for tattos.

Put all the quotes about JT out there you want. It's laughable you're even trying to compare the two situations.

Young boys were RAPED and had their lives all but destroyed because Joe Paterno put his big fat ego ahead of doing the right thing morally. You'll never convince me otherwise.

And one very bad decision can negate a lifetime of good deeds, sorry to say; especially when that decision allowed a predator to roam freely for years and continue to destroy the lives of children.

Sandusky is doing an interview tonight with Bob Costas? GTFO

RockCenterNBC BREAKING: "I'm innocent of these charges" Jerry Sandusky tells Bob Costas in exclusive interview airing tonight 10p/9c NBC #RockCenter 11/14/11 7:02 PM RockCenterNBC More from #Sandusky interview: "I have horsed around" showered, touched, but no sexual intent. More #RockCenter 10p/9c 11/14/11 7:05 PM RockCenterNBC Sandusky: "I shouldn't have showered with those kids." DEVELOPING STORY: http://t.co/eE7DssVX #RockCenter #PennState 11/14/11 7:21 PM [/URL] [/URL]

I hope he burns in hell. Words can not express my disgust right now.

Also: Why the hell is Sandusky's lawyer or anyone else thats involved in this situation at all letting him speak on NATIONAL TV and admit to showering with AND touching little boys?

This situation just keeps getting more effed up.

Writerbuckeye;972960 wrote:
Put all the quotes about JT out there you want. It's laughable you're even trying to compare the two situations.
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We're not comparing the two situations we're comparing your treatment of them and its extremely hypocritical nature.

lhslep134;973044 wrote:We're not comparing the two situations we're comparing your treatment of them and its extremely hypocritical nature.

Keep flailing.

I have all the facts I need about Paterno from his own mouth and the documented lack of actions that followed.

It took a while for all the facts to come out about Tressel...but ONCE AGAIN it doesn't matter since the two issues aren't comparable. Nothing about them is comparable; not even how I might have responded one to the other, since my response to someone who aided and abetted a child rapist will never be the same as it will toward someone who broke NCAA regulations.

You desperately want to see hypocrisy where none exists, because you've got little else to hang a cogent point on. Even that is nothing more than a red herring since it ignores the main issue: Paterno stating that he knew his former assistant coach was doing something sexual with a child and only put in the most minimal of effort to stop him.

I get it, though. You can't debate that point since Paterno has already admitted he blew it. Of course he didn't do that until he first tried to tell us he was "fooled" by Sandusky.

Whatever, Joe.

Don't worry though, you've got enough sycophants out here trying to cover your sorry wrinkled ass, and they'll be doing that even if you are charged, tried and convicted. They just can't let go.

Falcons53;972954 wrote:He has no case for wrongful termination because he admitted to knowing what happened and there is a legal question about "superior" given the fact that he was on the committe that hired the AD. There is case law for that (I don't have the ambition to look it up).

The university had to fire him, it sucks as a JoePa fan, but it was the right decision for the school. I still have my basement decorated with Penn State stuff and will never take down any of my signed Joe Paterno items. I still believe 60 years outweighs the bad decision when it comes to saying is he a bad guy or not. Remember, he molested nobody. I could not have written a better last sentence than you already have.

I don't know of any case law about the AD can't be considered his superior because he was on some committee that hired him and even if it was true Paterno also told the University's Vice President so it really is a moot point.

Writerbuckeye;973096 wrote:Keep flailing.

I have all the facts I need about Paterno from his own mouth and the documented lack of actions that followed.

It took a while for all the facts to come out about Tressel...but ONCE AGAIN it doesn't matter since the two issues aren't comparable. Nothing about them is comparable; not even how I might have responded one to the other, since my response to someone who aided and abetted a child rapist will never be the same as it will toward someone who broke NCAA regulations.

You desperately want to see hypocrisy where none exists, because you've got little else to hang a cogent point on. Even that is nothing more than a red herring since it ignores the main issue: Paterno stating that he knew his former assistant coach was doing something sexual with a child and only put in the most minimal of effort to stop him.

I get it, though. You can't debate that point since Paterno has already admitted he blew it. Of course he didn't do that until he first tried to tell us he was "fooled" by Sandusky.

Whatever, Joe.

Don't worry though, you've got enough sycophants out here trying to cover your sorry wrinkled ass, and they'll be doing that even if you are charged, tried and convicted. They just can't let go.

All you do is throw unsubstantiated claims and give your "amateur psychoanalysis" of what supposedly happened or didn't happen in the whole Tressel case and now the Penn State case. Nothing you said about the Tressel case ended up happening and I would think you would learn your lesson but apparently not. Most sane people will wait for all the facts to come out before deciding to demonize someone.

Jesus Fuck will you two shut the hell up already

PM each other

SportsAndLady;973164 wrote:Jesus Fuck will you two shut the hell up already

PM each other

This.

Skyhook79;972311 wrote:Whats your stance on Abortion? Gay marriage? Homosexuality? Capital punishment? War? Enhanced Interrogation methods?

Not sure how any of these topics are relevant to this thread.

Skyhook79;972849 wrote:Only hurt himself? Years ago? Keep spinning ,your defense of Tressel was laughable in comparison to your attack on JoePa when all the facts haven't even begun to come out yet. What was it you said when the Tressel story first broke to those who were criticizing him? Lets wait for the facts to come out before we make a judgement? Cover up is cover up and lying is lying no matter how big the circumstances. If Tressel would cover up and lie about Tattoo's for autographs and selling memorabilia what we he do in other larger matters????

I will say this, I agree that people crucified Tressel right away (myself being one of them). And when the facts came out, we were all correct in our statements that Tressel did in fact cover up the NCAA violations.

However, I think it is pretty sad that you make an assumption of how Tressel may act in a hypothetical situation similar and compare to what JoePa did in an actual situation.

dwccrew;973363 wrote:Not sure how any of these topics are relevant to this thread.



I will say this, I agree that people crucified Tressel right away (myself being one of them). And when the facts came out, we were all correct in our statements that Tressel did in fact cover up the NCAA violations.

However, I think it is pretty sad that you make an assumption of how Tressel may act in a hypothetical situation similar and compare to what JoePa did in an actual situation.

Really you crucified Tressel right away? Guess who said this when the story about OSU and Tressel first broke from Yahoo?



"I won't be worried about this until there is evidence presented that warrants me to be worried."


But this was one of my favorites from another poster, I guess thats crucifying Tressel?




Originally Posted by Midstate01
Yea let's hate fucking 18-21 year old kids. Gtfo. Some of the ppl on here amaze me. Tress was wrong. Very wrong. But I'd still want my kid playing for him. And I still want him being the coach for my team. We found out tress isn't the second coming of Jesus last night. He made mistakes and will pay for them. People around the country already hate OSU. This doesn't change anything. Tress will come back with an edge we've never gotten to see. I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait to get to our house in japan Sunday and hang my buckeye flag. We still bleed scarlet and grey and support the players and the coaches.

Go bucks.

Skyhook79;973389 wrote:Really you crucified Tressel right away? Guess who said this when the story about OSU and Tressel first broke from Yahoo?



"I won't be worried about this until there is evidence presented that warrants me to be worried."


But this was one of my favorites from another poster, I guess thats crucifying Tressel?




Originally Posted by Midstate01
Yea let's hate ****ing 18-21 year old kids. Gtfo. Some of the ppl on here amaze me. Tress was wrong. Very wrong. But I'd still want my kid playing for him. And I still want him being the coach for my team. We found out tress isn't the second coming of Jesus last night. He made mistakes and will pay for them. People around the country already hate OSU. This doesn't change anything. Tress will come back with an edge we've never gotten to see. I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait to get to our house in japan Sunday and hang my buckeye flag. We still bleed scarlet and grey and support the players and the coaches.

Go bucks.

Yeah....and? First off, my post was not made about Tressel, it was about the entire tattoo scandal before anyone knew Tressel was involved in trying to cover it up. When allegations were made (as it is in the JoePa case) suggesting Tressel covered up, I called a spade a spade because I knew of Tressel's past. The post you tried quoting of mine was made WAY before anything about Tressel was even known being involved in the tattoo scandal. LOL, fail.

I also don't see the point of quoting some other posters thoughts on an entirely different subject than this one. Especially when his thoughts on another matter differed from mine.

chicago510;973016 wrote:This situation just keeps getting more effed up.

Indeed.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK

dwccrew;973395 wrote:Yeah....and? First off, my post was not made about Tressel, it was about the entire tattoo scandal before anyone knew Tressel was involved in trying to cover it up. When allegations were made (as it is in the JoePa case) suggesting Tressel covered up, I called a spade a spade because I knew of Tressel's past. The post you tried quoting of mine was made WAY before anything about Tressel was even known being involved in the tattoo scandal. LOL, fail.

I also don't see the point of quoting some other posters thoughts on an entirely different subject than this one. Especially when his thoughts on another matter differed from mine.

This was the story in the Thread starters link he posted on the first post. It clearly states its about Tressel.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AihfcGP9AnZhesuIvzwwzio5nYcB?slug=ys-osuprobe030711

You first posted at post #110.

Skyhook79;973402 wrote:This was the story in the Thread starters link he posted on the first post. It clearly states its about Tressel.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AihfcGP9AnZhesuIvzwwzio5nYcB?slug=ys-osuprobe030711

You first posted at post #110.

Yeah. I was responding to ytown's post about his conspiracy theory on how he thought it was somehow connected to the OSU b-ball game.

His post

ytownfootball wrote:Let us also look at the timing of this news shall we? Is it a coincidence that the men's BB team just finished the season on a high note spanking the **** out of Wisconsin on the national stage.....yesterday? Man, they sure ran the **** out of that clip when Wiscy rushed the court that was the Bucks first loss eh?

What? this un-named sourced story couldn't have run months ago? Please...give me a break

My response

dwccrew wrote:I'm not quite that big into the conspiracies against OSU.

I won't be worried about this until there is evidence presented that warrants me to be worried.

Just read the rest of my posts in that thread. I never defend Tressel. I state that he withheld info and committed NCAA violations.



http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?23602-How-Much-Trouble-Is-OSU-and-Tressel-in-Now-!/page5&highlight=tressel

More from of the people on the Tressel cover up and lying threads:

Originally Posted by WebFire
Hindsight is 20/20 though. I was disappointed when TP didn't sign with UM. Am I know, hell no.



Yeah. That's the truth. Really, other than being the typical stud-level HS player who LOVED the media attention leading into his signing day, I don't recall any concrete negativity swirling around Pryor before coming to OSU. I do recall a report of unsportsmanlike conduct in some HS game (football or basketball), but that didn't really register. Let's be honest, entering Ohio State, David Lighty had allegations of firing a BB gun at someone and that never turned into in-college character issues (the opposite, actually, as he's probably turned into one of the more loved guys in the basketball program in recent years). It's easy to use the "hindsight is 20/20" thing to say that Pryor was a mistake, but at the time, it was a major win to get him. It just sucks that he never really matured.

Posted by Heretic. Really like the "Hindsight" reference.



"Been out of town, country and still trying to catch up on this story. Don't know all the details...but it certainly throws a whole other wrench into the situation. I'd still like to believe there is more to this. I still find it hard to believe that Tressel is that stupid. But who knows now. I'll wait to reserve my judgement until the NCAA completes their investigation. Then it will all be out in the open for everyone to see and judge. But it doesn't look good at this point..not that it ever did. But it looks worse. I would luv to just skip over next season and move on without the guys who did this. I now wish they would have went on to the NFL."


Posted by centralbucksfan. Really like the "I'll wait to reserve my judgement until the investigation is over"