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Nov 4, 2011 7:30 AM
enigmaax;957323 wrote:The football game is THE event. It is nice they do other things around that, but if there was no football going on, nobody else would be there.
No, the football game is one of the events going on that day. The band was scheduled to be on the field by the hosting school. They have every right to be there. I don't care if you like it or not, but you are wrong. The away team cannot just run out onto the field and run over the home band because they feel like it.


Well, if you don't want to end up on your ass it makes perfect sense.

You seem like one of those people "hey there is someone in the crosswalk, well they should move *speeds up*"
Nov 4, 2011 7:30am
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THE4RINGZ;956846 wrote:I'll bet sales of those stupid ****ing "Band...if it were any easier, they call it football" shirts comes to a grinding halt on that campus.
LOL--now this is funny, no matter what side of the argument you're on...reps
Nov 4, 2011 7:30am
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Nov 4, 2011 7:36 AM
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Nov 4, 2011 7:37 AM
HitsRus;957325 wrote:If there is any 'blame' to be assigned to anyone other than #6, it is on the NIU coach who charged his team out on the field while the band was finishing up their show.
I agree with this. Obviously, if you see the band on the field, common sense says to give them a minute.

I still maintain that if you can't plan external activities so as to not interfere with the game (and yes, that means you have to work around the teams who are actually involved in the game), you aren't doing a very good job in planning.
Nov 4, 2011 7:37am
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Nov 4, 2011 7:38 AM
enigmaax;957333 wrote:I agree with this. Obviously, if you see the band on the field, common sense says to give them a minute.

I still maintain that if you can't plan external activities so as to not interfere with the game (and yes, that means you have to work around the teams who are actually involved in the game), you aren't doing a very good job in planning.
It didn't interfere with the game. There was no game being played at the time.
Nov 4, 2011 7:38am
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Nov 4, 2011 7:41 AM
LJ;957335 wrote:It didn't interfere with the game. There was no game being played at the time.
Teams don't teleport to the field.
LJ;957327 wrote:You seem like one of those people "hey there is someone in the crosswalk, well they should move *speeds up*"
Well, no. But I am one of those people who doesn't walk out in front of idiots just on the principle that I have a right to be there. I'll be responsible for my own safety because I don't assume everyone else is looking out for me.
Nov 4, 2011 7:41am
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Nov 4, 2011 7:43 AM
enigmaax;957336 wrote:Teams don't teleport to the field.
Neet. We were NEVER allowed to run through a band when I played football. NEVER. Just becayse they are getting to the field, doesn't mean they have any more right than the band that was sanctioned by the host venue to be there.


Well, no. But I am one of those people who doesn't walk out in front of idiots just on the principle that I have a right to be there. I'll be responsible for my own safety because I don't assume everyone else is looking out for me.
Invalid argument is invalid. The band was already there. The football team THEN ran out and ran into them. So by your logic, the football team should have avoided the band.
Nov 4, 2011 7:43am
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Nov 4, 2011 8:02 AM
First... as far as the assault. Everyone trying to defeat that because it wasn't intentional would be wrong. It doesn't have to be intentional. But whether it was or not surely is debatable.

Second. The player was in the wrong. Plenty of people have made this point. I'm not going to reiterate everything already said.
Nov 4, 2011 8:02am
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Nov 4, 2011 8:06 AM
LJ;957338 wrote:Neet. We were NEVER allowed to run through a band when I played football. NEVER. Just becayse they are getting to the field, doesn't mean they have any more right than the band that was sanctioned by the host venue to be there.
The football team shouldn't have ran through the band. Doesn't make it a well-planned event (or series of events).
Invalid argument is invalid. The band was already there. The football team THEN ran out and ran into them. So by your logic, the football team should have avoided the band.
Actually, you have the logic completely wrong. There are two objects at play in both this situation and the crosswalk analogy. One object is going to do significantly more damage to the other if they collide. We hope that the more powerful object would be considerate and follow some guidelines to avoid a collison. However, if you are the object with the risk of greater damage, for your own safety, you should be defensive when in that zone (i.e., do not assume that the process is going to work perfectly).

Does it mean you are wrong for being there? No. Does being right matter if you are the one who gets hurt? No.

I don't know why you keep going. The school/player have accepted responsibility. The player isn't the one who ended up on the ground. Sure, he should've been more careful. And he has to live with the consequences. That absolutely doesn't change that there are other ways the whole thing could've been prevented.
Nov 4, 2011 8:06am
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Nov 4, 2011 8:15 AM
enigmaax;957347 wrote:That absolutely doesn't change that there are other ways the whole thing could've been prevented.

Yep, like the visiting team respecting the host venue's schedule.
Or the guy not being an asshole.
Or the coach not being an asshole and letting his team run out yet.
Or the visiting team asking if the band can be done by x minutes before the game.

Yep, plenty of ways the visiting team could have not been idiots.
Nov 4, 2011 8:15am
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Nov 4, 2011 8:23 AM
LJ;957355 wrote:Yep, like the visiting team respecting the host venue's schedule.
Or the guy not being an ****.
Or the coach not being an **** and letting his team run out yet.
Or the visiting team asking if the band can be done by x minutes before the game.

Yep, plenty of ways the visiting team could have not been idiots.
All true. It is still terrible to invite a guest for one purpose, then distract them with shit not related to their reason for being your guest. It is also dumb to put your own band members at risk by not adequately planning around the event that is the entire reason they have the opportunity to perform. If you're content to risk the safety of your students simply because you can blame someone else after the fact, enjoy the bumps and bruises. Otherwise, maybe learn a lesson and plan a little better the next time while the other side takes responsibility for its part.
Nov 4, 2011 8:23am
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Nov 4, 2011 8:37 AM
enigmaax;957362 wrote:All true. It is still terrible to invite a guest for one purpose, then distract them with shit not related to their reason for being your guest. It is also dumb to put your own band members at risk by not adequately planning around the event that is the entire reason they have the opportunity to perform. If you're content to risk the safety of your students simply because you can blame someone else after the fact, enjoy the bumps and bruises. Otherwise, maybe learn a lesson and plan a little better the next time while the other side takes responsibility for its part.
That's why you are not understanding. Who said they didn't plan appropriately. It's the visiting team who didn't plan appropriately.

And distracting them with shit not related? Yeah, that was the first football game EVER to have a band perform pregame :rolleyes:

Give me a fucking break
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Nov 4, 2011 8:50 AM
LJ;957375 wrote:That's why you are not understanding. Who said they didn't plan appropriately. It's the visiting team who didn't plan appropriately.
Had they planned appropriately, there wouldn't have been a band on the field with the team(s).
And distracting them with **** not related? Yeah, that was the first football game EVER to have a band perform pregame :rolleyes:

Give me a ****ing break
Who cares how often a band performs at a game? They can do all they want until they get in the middle of the teams' preparation. The minute the teams have to make decisions about how to deal with the band on the field is the minute they've overstepped their purpose. Sorry, the football team takes priority over any other extra-curricular activities that may be built around the game. This includes their need to be on the field prior to the start of the game.

Again, I don't know why you keep going. Do you think the punishment is too lax?
Nov 4, 2011 8:50am
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Nov 4, 2011 8:53 AM
enigmaax;957323 wrote:The football game is THE event. It is nice they do other things around that, but if there was no football going on, nobody else would be there.
You keep saying that, but it's not true. Everything surrounding the game is part of the event as well. The home team plans the event. The pregame is part of that event. I don't care if you like it or not, but it is the truth.


Well, if you don't want to end up on your ass it makes perfect sense.
No, not really. Maybe in your fucked up entitled world, but not the real world.
Nov 4, 2011 8:53am
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Nov 4, 2011 8:54 AM
enigmaax;957395 wrote:Again, I don't know why you keep going. Do you think the punishment is too lax?
No, I just think you are an entitled idiot.
Nov 4, 2011 8:54am
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Nov 4, 2011 9:19 AM
LJ;957405 wrote:No, I just think you are an entitled idiot.
LJ, what an ugly thing to say. Does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know, LJ, if I thought you weren't my friend, I just don't think I could bear it.
Nov 4, 2011 9:19am
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Nov 4, 2011 10:03 AM
LJ;957311 wrote:So the band member who was marching in formation during their pregame tradition that they perform every home game without a problem, needs to watch out for an idiot on the other team to come plowing into her? :thumbdown:
I worded my statement wrong. What I mean was she STOPPED right in his path. She should have broke formation to get the hell out of the way when the team came charging out. Was it wrong for the team to come charging out while the band was performing, yes. However, don't be stupid enough to just stay in the way when they do come out. That would be like me driving in the path of a truck just because I had the signal, I'm smart enough to realize that this truck driver is doing the wrong thing, but to avoid injury, I should stay out of the way.

And the question wasn't whether he was an idiot or the team was a bunch of idiots for charging out during the band's performance; it was whether the punishment was adequate which I believe it is since I see no evidence that he intentionally hit her.
Nov 4, 2011 10:03am
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Best argument ever.
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Nov 4, 2011 10:30 AM
LJ;957401 wrote:You keep saying that, but it's not true. Everything surrounding the game is part of the event as well. The home team plans the event. The pregame is part of that event. I don't care if you like it or not, but it is the truth.
So why do people say they are going to the football game and not the band's performance event? The event is most certainly the game. That's what they sell the tickets for, not the performances surrounding the game, that is just filler time.
Nov 4, 2011 10:30am
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Nov 4, 2011 10:35 AM
dwccrew;957559 wrote:So why do people say they are going to the football game and not the band's performance event? The event is most certainly the game. That's what they sell the tickets for, not the performances surrounding the game, that is just filler time.

Tell that to the band members and their parents!!!!!!
Nov 4, 2011 10:35am
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Nov 4, 2011 10:36 AM
dwccrew;957559 wrote:So why do people say they are going to the football game and not the band's performance event? The event is most certainly the game. That's what they sell the tickets for, not the performances surrounding the game, that is just filler time.
It's all one event. That is up to the home venue. To say that the team can run through the band because they are there to play football is ridiculous. The home venue has determined that the band's pregame performance is important enough to give them time on the field. It's all one event. If the venue deems it important enough, then it is part of the event. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have it.
Nov 4, 2011 10:36am
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Nov 4, 2011 10:37 AM
karen lotz;957554 wrote:Best argument ever.
I think your "post pad" screen name makes better posts than you do
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Nov 4, 2011 10:38 AM
Let's look at this a bit more closely. Watch for a moment #40. He is also running out, but makes a distinct effort to avoid contact with the band members. #3 does the same on the left side of the screen with a type of modified swim/juke move. In both cases there is contact, but if anything they try to keep from injuring anyone. Later after the collision, #15 turns his shoulders sideways to avoid contact. Contrast this with #6 who leaps, brings his forearm up (as any of us former players would before delivering a shoulder blow) and then turns into it, similar to how the trend is now for two players to jump and bump mid air. The closer you look, the more obvious it is. Again I go back to my statement that if it was not intentional, then why did he not stop to check if he had injured her. I do not believe for one minute the argument that he was unaware that he had just run someone over.

For the argument that she should have been more aware and protected herself by breaking formation, look again. She stops to let him go past when she sees him coming. Where exactly was there for her to go?
Nov 4, 2011 10:38am
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Nov 4, 2011 10:42 AM
LJ;957567 wrote:It's all one event. That is up to the home venue. To say that the team can run through the band because they are there to play football is ridiculous. The home venue has determined that the band's pregame performance is important enough to give them time on the field. It's all one event. If the venue deems it important enough, then it is part of the event. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have it.

The band is there as a guest of the football team. Get the fuck out of the way when a team is coming out of the tunnel. How are you still arguing this?
Nov 4, 2011 10:42am
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Nov 4, 2011 10:44 AM
karen lotz;957574 wrote:The band is there as a guest of the football team. Get the fuck out of the way when a team is coming out of the tunnel. How are you still arguing this?
The home team's band is there as a guest of the away team?

How are you this dense?
Nov 4, 2011 10:44am