se-alum;1702558 wrote:Urban's "the best player is going to play" mantra helps to recruit depth.

Which he got from Pete Carroll. Which is my point. I have no idea what point Sleeper is trying to make about USC.

lhslep134;1702556 wrote:That's the dumbest possible response you could have come up with to my post. That has literally nothing to do with my point, so I don't know why you felt the need to quote me to say that.

You are comparing a coach who sold his recruits with impermissible benefits to a coach who does things the right way. Sorry, but if you are a freshman you are going to ride the bench. Even Kwon sat the bench most of the year despite being a top 3 LB on the team.

sleeper;1702560 wrote:You are comparing a coach who sold his recruits with impermissible benefits to a coach who does things the right way. Sorry, but if you are a freshman you are going to ride the bench. Even Kwon sat the bench most of the year despite being a top 3 LB on the team.

I don't know how you respond when someone confronts you with explicit evidence telling you to STFU and that you're wrong, but let's find out.

http://www.coachingsearch.com/article?a=Urban-Meyer-I-stole-from-Pete-Carroll-we-dont-redshirt-guys-here

lhslep134;1702561 wrote:I don't know how you respond when someone confronts you with explicit evidence telling you to STFU and that you're wrong, but let's find out.

http://www.coachingsearch.com/article?a=Urban-Meyer-I-stole-from-Pete-Carroll-we-dont-redshirt-guys-here

Again, Urban is doing things the right way and can't promise recruits anything. Carroll wasn't recruiting on "play right away"; he was recruiting with "Come enjoy free benefits". Not sure why you are trying to shard to compare a corrupt coach with a coach who actually has won national championships the right way. It's a poor comparison and its barely worth dignifying with a discussion.

Sleeper logic:

"It's hard to appeal to the 'play right away types' "

"No it's not, we're similar to USC in that Pete Carroll never had a problem with it because he gave his guys a chance to play right away"

"No we're not like USC, USC's a bunch of cheaters, we'd never do ANYTHING like them"

"Urban Meyer: 'I got the idea about recruiting players who can compete for playing time right away from Pete Carroll' "

Derp @ Sleeper

sleeper;1702565 wrote:Again, Urban is doing things the right way and can't promise recruits anything..

He's promising recruits a chance to compete for playing time instead of redshirting, an idea he got from USC's coach. But this is clearly one of those Sleeper arguments where the truth, facts, and logic have no place because you're just being a stubborn jerk-off.

I'm tapping out of this debate for that reason. You're clearly and unequivocally wrong and there's nothing you can rebut with that will be worth responding to.

lhslep134;1702569 wrote:He's promising recruits a chance to compete for playing time instead of redshirting, an idea he got from USC's coach. But this is clearly one of those Sleeper arguments where the truth, facts, and logic have no place because you're just being a stubborn jerk-off.

I'm tapping out of this debate because you're clearly and unequivocally wrong. There's nothing you can rebut with that will be worth responding to.

Let me guess, your next argument is going to be "Pete Carroll taught me to recruit 5-star players". You do realize coaches control what they say to the public and always error on the PC side. Context is important; they teach you that at real law schools.

Anyways, I'd rather keep the focus of this thread about OSU recruiting the right way rather than illegally like Pete Carroll. If you'd like to start a thread comparing the best coach in college football vs. a corrupt coach who never won anything, go right ahead.

Ah the classic "I'm wrong so we need to get back on topic" Sleeper post.

Wasn't sure if you'd wait 1 minute or 1 hour before posting it. Should have known it'd only take you a minute.

Good breakdown of OSU's roster as it stands. Gonna be a lot of attrition.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/02/national_signing_day_ohio_stat.html

se-alum;1702591 wrote:Good breakdown of OSU's roster as it stands. Gonna be a lot of attrition.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/02/national_signing_day_ohio_stat.html

Isn't that over signing? I thought the B1G didn't do that?

FatHobbit;1702609 wrote:Isn't that over signing? I thought the B1G didn't do that?

I believe they allow 28 to be signed, but the schools have to report to the B1G as to why/how they are able to take that many kids. Obviously the coaching staff is aware of players not returning. The 85 scholarship limit doesn't matter until August.

Edit: The B1G allows a school to oversign by 3, but the four early enrollees count on last years class. So basically we have 21 right now counting against this years class.

FatHobbit;1702609 wrote:Isn't that over signing? I thought the B1G didn't do that?

se-alum;1702612 wrote:I believe they allow 28 to be signed, but the schools have to report to the B1G as to why/how they are able to take that many kids. Obviously the coaching staff is aware of players not returning. The 85 scholarship limit doesn't matter until August.

Edit: The B1G allows a school to oversign by 3, but the four early enrollees count on last years class. So basically we have 21 right now counting against this years class.

"The Big Ten has no issue with oversigning because it banned the practice in 1956. The conference actually loosened its rule in 2002 to allow schools to oversign by three players, but even that rule is drastically different from the NCAA rule now in effect. According to Big Ten associate commissioner Chad Hawley, schools are allowed three over the 85-man limit, not the annual 25-man limit. If, for example, Michigan ends a season with 20 open scholarship spots, then Michigan may sign 23 players. No more.If a Big Ten program chooses to oversign, Hawley said, it then must document exactly how it came under the 85-scholarship limit. That way, coaches are less likely to cut a player who has done nothing wrong other than fail to live up to his recruiting hype. "If you'veoversigned, you're going to have to report back to the conference,"Hawley said. "Come the fall, you're going to have to explain how you came into compliance."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1932727-has-urban-meyers-sec-like-recruiting-pushed-big-ten-to-its-limits

By my count we had 20 seniors last year, 19 will leave, but Joel Hale has received a 6th year. We have 4 known departures with Underwood, Carter, Johnson, and Dodson. So that allows us to sign 26, but that's without knowing of any other departures that the coaching staff would be aware of at this time.

Time for Gustin, still think he picks USC, but hope not.

Live stream: http://www.maxpreps.com/news/BWJn6rJCuE6RJ2Hm2fcuKA/signing-day-2015--porter-gustin-announcement-live-stream.htm

IMO the coaches already know what they're doing with the people who will be transferring, leaving, medical retiring, etc.

When I worked in the Compliance Department there was a pretty good gap of time between when the teams would need us to work on transfer stuff and when it comes out.

It's Southern Cal.

se-alum;1702634 wrote:It's Southern Cal.

Well at least he can enjoy watching the championship game at home every year.

Ohio State ranked #7 in recruiting rankings. Michigan? #72.

LOL @ Harbaugh thinking he has a snowballs chance in hell of turning that shit hole around. At this point OSU could sit all their starters and still have a better team than Michigan.

sleeper;1702661 wrote:Ohio State ranked #7 in recruiting rankings. Michigan? #72.

LOL @ Harbaugh thinking he has a snowballs chance in hell of turning that shit hole around. At this point OSU could sit all their starters and still have a better team than Michigan.

I know you arent in the game of being fair, but geesh, he just got this job recently.

I look for next year for Michigan to be easily in the top 20 programs for recruits.

thavoice;1702719 wrote:I know you arent in the game of being fair, but geesh, he just got this job recently.

I look for next year for Michigan to be easily in the top 20 programs for recruits.

Urban's first year: #4

thavoice;1702719 wrote:I know you arent in the game of being fair, but geesh, he just got this job recently.

I look for next year for Michigan to be easily in the top 20 programs for recruits.

sleeper;1702724 wrote:Urban's first year: #4

Boom.

Ok. You win.

but OSU had the 7th best the season before, and had a recent history (except for that last season) of being very successful and relevant. Also, UM was hired a month earlier and he and his assistants had that important month to recruit. Also, UM had been recruiting already and knew the landscape.

Michigan hasnt been relevant for a long time and Harbaugh was hired at the end of December. There are no allowed in house visits by harbaugh/staff until Jan 15th. That period started Dec 14th. UM def had a little advantage from when he was hired at the end of november. He and his staff still had two weeks to visit, scout and attend and do all of that recruiting BS before the holiday dead period.

OSU, as long as UM is there, wont ever be surpassed by michigan in the recruiting game. Michigan may beat them from time to time, but Harbaugh will turn around that team and they will be relevant again the the conference

sleeper;1699823 wrote:Anyways, this is about Ohio State recruiting future national champions so I'm not sure what Harbaugh has to do with that.

sleeper;1702661 wrote:Ohio State ranked #7 in recruiting rankings. Michigan? #72.

LOL @ Harbaugh thinking he has a snowballs chance in hell of turning that shit hole around. At this point OSU could sit all their starters and still have a better team than Michigan.

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Seems like Weber to ttun is picking up steam the last 48 hours