mucalum49;1062744 wrote:Wonder if Dwayne Stafford and Pharoah Brown get calls from the new staff now that Chip Kelly is off to the NFL.

xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1062938 wrote:I agree the LB play sucked last year so I am happy to see them hopefully upgrading that position, I'm just worried that the class will fill up with too many LBs and we may not have room for a Diggs or Neal since they are not signing until a little later. I would venture to say Meyer has thought about this already but I think they need to make sure if they have a shot at all at getting someone as dynamic as they are they need to make sure they have room.

se-alum;1062944 wrote:I'm sure Meyer knows what he is doing. Also, technically, OSU could bring in 31 kids with this class. Of course they won't sign that many unless Meyer knows of alot more kids that will be leaving.

Midstate01;1063043 wrote:28 is the MAX allowed to sign in big ten. And that's with some restrictions.

se-alum;1063087 wrote:Early enrollees can count against last years class, which we have 6 in this class, and just so happens we had 6 unused scholarships last year, so those guys could all go toward last years class, and we could still sign the 25. Now we won't need that many, but if we did, we could take 31 kids.

Edit: Forgot about the scholly restrictions. May only be able to apply 3 early enrollees toward last years class. Not sure how that would work.

WebFire;1063113 wrote:25 is max, but you can EE up to 3 for a max of 28.

se-alum;1063132 wrote:Yes, I know that on paper the max is 25(possibly 28 w/ the waiver), however, depending on the size of the class the previous year, you can apply early enrollees to the previous class, so if you only had 21 in last years class, you could apply 4 early enrollees to that class and still bring in 25 others for a total of 29.

"Back in March of 2010, we wrote that there was a rule change in 2002 that allowed Big 10 schools to accept 3 LOI over the 25 limit, provided they had room to back count the players to the previous year and provided they proper documentation to the conference office regarding the 3 extra recruits. What we failed to comprehend was that the 3 over the limit applied to the 85 limit, not the 25 limit. To confirm this and get further clarification, we contacted associate commissioner, Chad Hawley for further explanation, to which he provided the following:


The Big Ten exception in football is that an institution may oversign by 3. Our rule isn't based on the NCAA limit of 25 initial counters, it's based on the number of scholarships available. Using your example, if an institution has 65 countable scholarships returning, the institution could sign up to 23.

When we approved limited oversigning in 2002, part of the deal was that institutions that did oversign would need to provide "sunshine" to allow for peer review. This reporting includes identifying the individuals who received the offers that created the oversigned situation. In addition, institutions that actually oversign would need to provide a person-by-person accounting for how the institution comes into compliance with the NCAA limit of 85; this includes reporting on not only the new signees, but also the status of each student-athlete who received countable aid in the previous academic year.

WebFire;1063219 wrote:I think 28 is max WITH the early enrollees. Is it not?

se-alum;1063242 wrote:No, because some of the early enrollees aren't counted toward the current class. For all intent and purposes, the early enrollees count toward the overall current scholarship count, but don't count as far as the current recruiting class. This is why it's so difficult to really know how many scholarships a school has to offer. For instance, last years OSU class was at 23, if there were 4 early enrollees that were charged to the previous year, than the class was only at 19, meaning this years 6 early guys, could all be charged to last years class, putting it at the max number of 25. Now, you could technically sign 25 more guys, but you would never have the scholarships to do it, because you can only sign 3 over the available scholarships. Unless you're coming off major disciplinary actions, you could never provide 50 of 85 schollies to just 2 classes.

WebFire;1063250 wrote:Ok, I understand that. However, one thing I haven't found is where the NCAA permits more than 25 in one class. So how do teams sign more than 25?

ytownfootball;1063253 wrote:I may be wrong but the NCAA doesn't care about how many commits you take only the final number of scholarships you provide. So while what Bama does though seems unethical it isn't actually a violation per se.

In Proposal No. 2009-48, the Southeastern Conference wants to limit to 28 the number of Football Bowl Subdivision student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid from the first signing day through May 31. The proposal would curb instances of “over-signing” that have the potential to leave some prospects without a scholarship.
Current rules allow FBS institutions to provide scholarships to 25 new student-athletes per year. However, some schools traditionally have signed more than that to protect themselves in the event that some prospects do not qualify academically. The SEC set a cap of 28 for its own institutions earlier this year, and at that time conference leaders said they viewed the letter of intent as an institutional commitment to a prospect who is capable of contributing academically and athletically. The Big Ten has a similar policy. (source: NCAA)

WebFire;1063270 wrote:Underlined doesn't make sense to me. "We have a limit, but teams go over limit. So we don't really have a limit."

se-alum;1063132 wrote:Yes, I know that on paper the max is 25(possibly 28 w/ the waiver), however, depending on the size of the class the previous year, you can apply early enrollees to the previous class, so if you only had 21 in last years class, you could apply 4 early enrollees to that class and still bring in 25 others for a total of 29.

WebFire;1063219 wrote:I think 28 is max WITH the early enrollees. Is it not?

se-alum;1063275 wrote:The difference is in "signing" and "providing scholarships", I believe. Ultimately just because you sign someone, it doesn't mean you will be providing them with a scholarship, which is why we all see the immorality in what the SEC does. Also, unless the SEC is instituting the 3-over rule that the B1G has, they're rule want stop the practice of oversigning, because they could sign 28 every year. In the B1G if you only have 20 available schollies, you can only sign 23.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1063029 wrote:I'm not so sure we want Diggs. #Headcase

SportsAndLady;1063327 wrote:http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=880&CID=1322138

No Buckeye predictions, but then again we aren't really expecting any of them. Would be nice to see a surprise in there though.

se-alum;1063544 wrote:Diggs will take an official to OSU this weekend.

xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1063561 wrote:I wonder if he is still going to take his visit to USC. It has both schools listed as Jan 27th visits. That seems like it would be difficult to do.