Hb31187;950704 wrote:And MJ always had Pippen to help him along. Kobe wasnt the "man" for all of his titles

sleeper;950462 wrote:I watched Jordan his entire career. I don't think he holds a candle to the talent Lebron or Shaq have. But most people don't think for themselves and don't want to present arguments contrary to media generated hype. Most people aren't as rich as me either, so I guess some things in life you just have to accept.

I Am Ahab;950490 wrote:Watered down league? Who was Shaquille's stiff competition on the way to those rings? Sabonis, Divak(?), Rick Smits, who the hell played center for Philly. Any other hof centers I missed.

I believe an argument can be made for someone being better than Jordan and not buying the media hype, but I dnt think you can call Shaq better than Jordan. I think he was one OC the greatest but not better than MJ. Shaq benefited from going up against some weak ass centers.

dwccrew;951127 wrote:This is not true. #1, Jordan was in the league before you were probably even born. You probably started watching Jordan when the Bulls started winning titles. You didn't get to see his career progress.

Talent wise, I'll give you Lebron, but Jordan was still better because Lebron doesn't play up to his talent abilities. Jordan was a hard worker. Shaq talented? LOL, he was twice the size of anyone else and just muscled people out of his way. And as I Am Ahab's post below points out, Shaq never played against tough centers.

Heelz;950748 wrote:I never said anything about Jordan being the greatest, do I think he is? yes. But its hard to say this person is better than that person bc they dont play against each other. What has Lebron done to be even in the conversation for great? Congrats he can dunk and run down small guards.
To lazy to think for myself? said the guy who thinks you cant like a team outside of your state, talk about being a programmed robot.

sleeper;951141 wrote:Why do you like North Carolina? It's because they are good and that makes you a bandwagon fan. Enjoy!

sleeper;950462 wrote:I watched Jordan his entire career. I don't think he holds a candle to the talent Lebron or Shaq have. But most people don't think for themselves and don't want to present arguments contrary to media generated hype. Most people aren't as rich as me either, so I guess some things in life you just have to accept.

wildcats20;952934 wrote:What about Bron's game is more talented than Jordans?

Shooting
MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bron

Handle
MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bron

Defense
MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bron


Non-athletic aspects
MJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x2372837283972189378297382738273827382372873 Bron

There are 2 aspects of Bron's game that are/could be said to be better/more talented than MJ's: his ability to finish at the rim and his passing. And honestly, both can be argued til the cows come home.

LeBron is a crazy, freakish athlete. We will probably never see anyone like him, not in a NBA uni at least. While he is a great player, he is in no way more talented than MJ. He isn't even the most talented player in the League now. Players like Kobe, Wade, KD, Melo, all the PGs, etc. are more talented than LeBron. By no means am I saying he isn't talented. He's in the League and a top 3 player, you don't get there by athleticism alone. Dude is crazy good, but he is not more talented than MJ. No way.

lhslep134;952981 wrote:I'm not taking sides but..

Sleeper did not watch Jordan his whole career. Come on dude, he was in the league before you were born.

lhslep134;953144 wrote:So when you were 1-5 years old you had a cognizant memory of watching Jordan play? Highly doubtful. You can't say you saw Jordan play his whole career if you missed 6 years. I'm not saying you can't choose Lebron or Shaq over Jordan, just don't say you saw Jordan's whole career because it's a lie.

sleeper;953145 wrote:I said most. .

sleeper;950462 wrote:I watched Jordan his entire career.

lhslep134;953216 wrote:Dude you're making it seem like harmless semantics, but a major point in your argument is that you saw Jordan his whole career and it's just simply not true.

sleeper;953077 wrote:Cool. I was born in 86. I saw Jordan most of his career. Geez, might want to study some law before arguing over a couple years in which an anonymous user on the internet didn't watch Jordan play basketball. I saw Jordan in his prime, and I still think Shaq and Lebron are better.

People just don't think for themselves. It's so much easier just to say Jordan's the best rather than doing your own thinking. People always take the easy way out, and that's why most of you will be working for me one day.

Pick6;953857 wrote:so you were born in 86 and just got your undergrad at osu this past winter quarter? what took so long?