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The Answer
Posts: 209
Dec 12, 2011 6:50pm
Read some speculation on another site that the big move was trying to trade for Carlos Lee of the Astros to play 1st base. No idea if true just what they were saying.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 12, 2011 8:36pm
Only if the Astros agree to eat a majority of his salary ala Derek Lowe. He's owed $18.5 million next season.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Dec 12, 2011 10:09pm
still waiting.....
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 13, 2011 7:11am
Patience.....
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 13, 2011 2:09pm
I always forget that this was Shapiro's first big trade. Now he made up for it a bit with the Colon trade but this one hurt. Injuries played a major role but don't they always?
For those who feel like beating your head against a desk: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2011/12/what-could-have-been-robbie-alomar.html#comment-form
For those who feel like beating your head against a desk: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2011/12/what-could-have-been-robbie-alomar.html#comment-form
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 13, 2011 2:33pm
I had HUGE hopes for Alex Escobar. I didnt know the extent of those injuries until that read. Kind of pissed I gave Shapiro a slide and blamed injuries on that one...clearly a dumb trade based on his history.grodt;1013717 wrote:I always forget that this was Shapiro's first big trade. Now he made up for it a bit with the Colon trade but this one hurt. Injuries played a major role but don't they always?
For those who feel like beating your head against a desk: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2011/12/what-could-have-been-robbie-alomar.html#comment-form
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 13, 2011 3:13pm
I was in the same boat about Escobar. I had no idea he had that kind of injury history. Looking back that was a really dumb risk to take.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 13, 2011 7:01pm
Heard on 92.3 driving home that the Tribe is out of the running for Willingham. Minnesota's the front runner.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 13, 2011 7:30pm
Frankly for what he's probably going to sign for he isn't worth it. Our most likely option for acquiring a player right now is via trade.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 13, 2011 7:34pm
Doesn't matter who they would have recieved in that trade. None of those players would have been signed to stay in Cleveland.grodt;1013717 wrote:I always forget that this was Shapiro's first big trade. Now he made up for it a bit with the Colon trade but this one hurt. Injuries played a major role but don't they always?
For those who feel like beating your head against a desk: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2011/12/what-could-have-been-robbie-alomar.html#comment-form
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 13, 2011 9:20pm
I heard it was down to the Twins and the Tribe. for Willingham....frankly, I think you go the extra mile and get him.
29 HRs from the right side would look mighty nice in a Tribe uni.
edit....ESPN reporting Willingham to the Twins pending a physical
Way to go Paul! ..2nd place again.
29 HRs from the right side would look mighty nice in a Tribe uni.
edit....ESPN reporting Willingham to the Twins pending a physical
Way to go Paul! ..2nd place again.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 13, 2011 9:52pm
Maybe not at the end of their rookie contracts but they would have been here for 6 years and most likely still here for the run in 2007. Imagine David Wright and/or Jose Reyes on those teams.like_that;1014002 wrote:Doesn't matter who they would have recieved in that trade. None of those players would have been signed to stay in Cleveland.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Dec 13, 2011 10:28pm
This front office is a joke.....
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 13, 2011 10:41pm
Latest ....the Twins insist that the deal for Willingham is not done (they are still holding out for Cuddyer)....even as the Indians Mark Shapiro starts making excuses, tweeting that Willingham is a good fit offensively...but not defensively.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 13, 2011 10:43pm
It's not really an excuse, it's a fact. Willingham is a terrible defender. The more I hear and read the more I am sour on signing Willingham if the contract is the reported 3 year/$9-10 million a year
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 13, 2011 10:59pm
Seriously?...You can find all kinds of excuses...do you want a bat or not? Whatever. You are not going to find much better in that price range.
I think you make a decision to try to improve the team. I don't think adding Derrek Lowe and standing pat is much of an improvement. Any player capable of making an impact is going to cost you either money or players.
I think you make a decision to try to improve the team. I don't think adding Derrek Lowe and standing pat is much of an improvement. Any player capable of making an impact is going to cost you either money or players.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 14, 2011 12:07am
I do not want Willingham. Not sure why you guys are getting all excited about him. He's an average player with above average pop and below average - average.
He's definitely not worth 10 million bucks. I can picture it now, we sign this guy for 10 mill, then in 2 years when he's hitting 13 homers or not playing due to injury, the same guys clamoring for him will be bitching at the FO for signing him to that much $$$.
Seriously, the guy is not worth that. He's not going to make us a playoff team, because he's not that big of a difference maker.
He's definitely not worth 10 million bucks. I can picture it now, we sign this guy for 10 mill, then in 2 years when he's hitting 13 homers or not playing due to injury, the same guys clamoring for him will be bitching at the FO for signing him to that much $$$.
Seriously, the guy is not worth that. He's not going to make us a playoff team, because he's not that big of a difference maker.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Dec 14, 2011 12:12am
You're right they aren't going to find better on the free agent market but I think there is more value through trade. The price that the Twins are reportedly paying ($7 million) isn't bad but 3 years is a long time for a player on the decline of his career. The last 30-something hitter we signed long term didn't work out well and we've been hampered by that contact for the last 3 years.
Again our biggest assets are trade pieces not money to throw at free agents.
Again our biggest assets are trade pieces not money to throw at free agents.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 14, 2011 7:05am
You guys complain about Dolan not throwing any money, and when he finally might, you don't support the move.
/OCTRIBELOGIC
/OCTRIBELOGIC
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 14, 2011 7:15am
The other way to look at this is that Hafner will be gone next year, so the defensive 'liability' that people are now crying about disappears as he takes on more of a DH role. Sorry, I don't get what is so bad about 29 HRs and 98 RBI's. If you can get that without having to give up any of your own talent, why would you be against that.?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 8:20am
[h=1]Source: Willingham, Twins Agree To Deal[/h]
Dec 14, 2011 2:09 AM EST
Veteran Josh Willingham has reached agreement on a multiyear deal with the Twins pending completion of a physical exam, according to a league source.
Willingham, 32, is a career .262 hitter with 132 home runs for the Marlins, Nationals and A's. He batted .246 with a career-high 29 homers and 98 RBIs for Oakland in 2011.
No worries Tribe fans, we were just a pawn to increase his contract.
Dec 14, 2011 2:09 AM EST
Veteran Josh Willingham has reached agreement on a multiyear deal with the Twins pending completion of a physical exam, according to a league source.Willingham, 32, is a career .262 hitter with 132 home runs for the Marlins, Nationals and A's. He batted .246 with a career-high 29 homers and 98 RBIs for Oakland in 2011.
No worries Tribe fans, we were just a pawn to increase his contract.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 14, 2011 8:25am
What is sad about the Willingham situation is that I'd heard he was looking for $10 million+ per year and that would take the Tribe out of the bidding. When I hear that Minny got him for, I believe, a million per year more than he made last year, just confirms Dolan's cheapness.
They'd better swing some kind of trade or we have the giant Derek Lowe/Grady Sizemore "splashes" to look forward to this year.
They'd better swing some kind of trade or we have the giant Derek Lowe/Grady Sizemore "splashes" to look forward to this year.
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
Dec 14, 2011 11:16am
Not so fast, Tribe in serious discussions w/ Jose Lopez. All-Star a few seasons ago, still just 28. Can play most infield positions. Hits right-handed. Sounds great.
Except for the fact he has been awful the last 2 years and was designated for assignment twice last season.
Except for the fact he has been awful the last 2 years and was designated for assignment twice last season.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 14, 2011 12:46pm
Those 'splashes' are the noise of treading water...Lowe less than perfectly replaces Carlos Carrasco, and Sizemore probably will not be the player he once was.They'd better swing some kind of trade or we have the giant Derek Lowe/Grady Sizemore "splashes" to look forward to this year
Lopez does sound a lot like a Tribe move. Taking a flyer on a rehab project trying to catch lightning in a bottle. If they do sign him...get an option.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 14, 2011 12:56pm
Because he's 32, and those were career high numbers. The 3 previous years were 15/51, 24/61, and 16/56. That's not worth $9 million or whatever the offer was.HitsRus;1014328 wrote:Sorry, I don't get what is so bad about 29 HRs and 98 RBI's. If you can get that without having to give up any of your own talent, why would you be against that.?
I'm against spending money just to say you spent money. If he was a 25-30 HR and 90-100 RBI guy every year it's a no brainer, even with his poor average and poor defense. But he isn't.