Cleveland Indians Hot Stove---2011-2012

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Jan 28, 2012 12:04 PM
Sounds like its going to be Oswalt to the Cardinals.
Jan 28, 2012 12:04pm
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Jan 28, 2012 1:32 PM
TBone14;1068422 wrote:Sounds like its going to be Oswalt to the Cardinals.
Why even wish for any players of significance? Just isn't gonna happen.
Jan 28, 2012 1:32pm
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Jan 28, 2012 1:39 PM
Laley23;1067911 wrote:Norm Wamer is such a tool. Got some great stories, most of which cant be talked about. But Jesus, he thinks he is Gods gift to Toledo. He is a joke. Im sure I could host a better show. He doesnt even know professional sports at all, and barely knows the local schools better than myself.
Pitch a show hosted by you and JS. Haha.
Jan 28, 2012 1:39pm
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Jan 28, 2012 1:42 PM
sportswizuhrd;1068484 wrote:Pitch a show hosted by you and JS. Haha.
lol. Strack and I would go at it pretty well with his Detroit love and my Cleveland fandom. We do anyway while on set. At least it would be entertaining, Wamer wont listen to anyone or anything who doesnt agree with him.
Jan 28, 2012 1:42pm
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Jan 28, 2012 1:47 PM
royal_k;1068482 wrote:Why even wish for any players of significance? Just isn't gonna happen.
Any player of significance is going to be brought in via trade, where they don't have a choice.
Jan 28, 2012 1:47pm
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Jan 28, 2012 10:54 PM
Honestly I never thought he'd sign here unless no one else showed interest. I was more surprised that they were even looking at a starting pitcher. I suppose that there is a difference between actually showing interest and kicking the tires.
Jan 28, 2012 10:54pm
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Jan 29, 2012 10:49 AM
Laley23;1068489 wrote:lol. Strack and I would go at it pretty well with his Detroit love and my Cleveland fandom. We do anyway while on set. At least it would be entertaining, Wamer wont listen to anyone or anything who doesnt agree with him.

Sounds like Toledo's version of Triv.
Jan 29, 2012 10:49am
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Jan 29, 2012 8:02 PM
The good news: Oswalt scheduled to meet with the Rangers tomorrow so he isn't a done deal yet.
The bad news: the Indians aren't even on his radar. Red Sox are still interested, and he just turned down a 1 year offer from the Tigers. Despite winning the central and pulling in Fielder...the Tigers are still out there trying to improve their team! The Tribe appears to be standing pat again, as they did after 2007, but with less reason of course.
Jan 29, 2012 8:02pm
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Jan 29, 2012 8:24 PM
HitsRus;1069407 wrote:The good news: Oswalt scheduled to meet with the Rangers tomorrow so he isn't a done deal yet.
The bad news: the Indians aren't even on his radar. Red Sox are still interested, and he just turned down a 1 year offer from the Tigers. Despite winning the central and pulling in Fielder...the Tigers are still out there trying to improve their team! The Tribe appears to be standing pat again, as they did after 2007, but with less reason of course.

Yeah, then we get to listen to the front office spin it.
Jan 29, 2012 8:24pm
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Jan 29, 2012 8:29 PM
Our window of contention just keeps getting smaller and smaller.....fml :thumbdown:

Jan 29, 2012 8:29pm
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Jan 30, 2012 5:03 AM
Hey, Hoynsie: Unless I'm wrong, the Indians don't have a single guaranteed contract on their roster beyond the 2012 season. When are we going to start talking about the real story, which is the Dolans prepping the team to be sold? -- Adam Chandler, Olmsted Township

Hey, Adam: I pointed that out several weeks ago. Either GM Chris Antonetti has a tremendous amount of flexibility to make a big move in the next couple of years or the decks are being cleared for a possible sale. Or it may mean nothing at all.

We can only HOPE...

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/01/how_did_the_indians_not_sign_c.html
Jan 30, 2012 5:03am
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Jan 30, 2012 5:34 AM
BR1986FB;1069721 wrote:Hey, Hoynsie: Unless I'm wrong, the Indians don't have a single guaranteed contract on their roster beyond the 2012 season. When are we going to start talking about the real story, which is the Dolans prepping the team to be sold? -- Adam Chandler, Olmsted Township

Hey, Adam: I pointed that out several weeks ago. Either GM Chris Antonetti has a tremendous amount of flexibility to make a big move in the next couple of years or the decks are being cleared for a possible sale. Or it may mean nothing at all.

We can only HOPE...

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/01/how_did_the_indians_not_sign_c.html
Astrubal and Choo are licking their chops....thinking about making some real money in a couple of years. Dolan's utopic view is to promote the entire Clipper roster to the Jake and have a payroll of 15 million.

Did anyone see 60 minutes last night with NFL commish Roger Goodell? He said that the revenue sharing is the key to their success. 80% is divied up around the league....and with that....gives teams from little Green Bay Wisconsin a reason for hope.....each and every year.
Jan 30, 2012 5:34am
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Jan 30, 2012 8:14 AM
I had heard that once contracts are up, in either 2013 or 2014 the Tribes estimated payroll will be something like $2 or $3 million?
Jan 30, 2012 8:14am
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Jan 30, 2012 12:34 PM
What's with Dolan anyway? I think the best thing for all of us fans would be for him to get out and sell to someone who cares about putting a quality team on the field.

Of course I could have inserted the names Gilbert or Lerner in that sentence. Cleveland is cursed with owners who don't give a shit.
Jan 30, 2012 12:34pm
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Jan 30, 2012 12:37 PM
stlouiedipalma;1070029 wrote:What's with Dolan anyway? I think the best thing for all of us fans would be for him to get out and sell to someone who cares about putting a quality team on the field.
Genius. If only any of us had thought of that. Where have you been all of our lives?
Jan 30, 2012 12:37pm
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Jan 30, 2012 12:40 PM
stlouiedipalma;1070029 wrote:Of course I could have inserted the names Gilbert or Lerner in that sentence. Cleveland is cursed with owners who don't give a shit.
Wut? Gilbert doesn't care? LOL

Lerner cares also. If he didn't he wouldn't be paying for all of these coaches/GM's he's fired. He keeps trying until he finds the right "recipe." Lerner may be clueless but he definitely cares. Don't mistake stupidity/ineptness with not "caring."
Jan 30, 2012 12:40pm
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Jan 30, 2012 1:01 PM
Footwedge;1069726 wrote: Did anyone see 60 minutes last night with NFL commish Roger Goodell? He said that the revenue sharing is the key to their success. 80% is divied up around the league....and with that....gives teams from little Green Bay Wisconsin a reason for hope.....each and every year.

Tampa Bay Rays. End of discussion.

Parity is just fine in baseball. The problem is that the Indians, Pirates, etc. are horribly run and managed.
Jan 30, 2012 1:01pm
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Jan 30, 2012 1:38 PM
jordo212000;1070065 wrote:Tampa Bay Rays. End of discussion.

Parity is just fine in baseball. The problem is that the Indians, Pirates, etc. are horribly run and managed.
I will agree the Indians have an owner that won't spend (everyone knows this). But you have to be blind if you believe there isn't a difference in payroll from large market teams to smaller ones, and their ability to compete for the high end players. Revenue sharing DOES make a big difference.
Jan 30, 2012 1:38pm
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Jan 30, 2012 1:54 PM
royal_k;1070116 wrote:I will agree the Indians have an owner that won't spend (everyone knows this). But you have to be blind if you believe there isn't a difference in payroll from large market teams to smaller ones, and their ability to compete for the high end players. Revenue sharing DOES make a big difference.

Huh? Baseball has revenue sharing. Some teams choose to spend the money wisely and on improving their on field product.

I think your main talking point here is lack of a salary cap. Baseball has no salary cap. It certainly has revenue sharing and I can promise you that teams are banking a ton of money from that.
Jan 30, 2012 1:54pm
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Jan 30, 2012 1:54 PM
royal_k;1070116 wrote:I will agree the Indians have an owner that won't spend (everyone knows this). But you have to be blind if you believe there isn't a difference in payroll from large market teams to smaller ones, and their ability to compete for the high end players. Revenue sharing DOES make a big difference.
He is. There is no point in getting into it with him about it either.
Jan 30, 2012 1:54pm
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Jan 30, 2012 2:11 PM
like_that;1070142 wrote:He is. There is no point in getting into it with him about it either.

I don't think it is worth arguing with him. How can I take him seriously when he didn't even know that revenue sharing is alive and well in baseball? It is nobody's fault that certain organizations are mismanaged or are not spending that cash windfall wisely
Jan 30, 2012 2:11pm
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Jan 30, 2012 2:17 PM
How can you take me seriously? I didn't know revenue sharing existed??

Where did I say it didn't exist? I said it does make a difference (reading comprehension 101)......My argument was the ability of smaller market teams to compete with large market teams for high end players.
Jan 30, 2012 2:17pm
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Jan 30, 2012 2:27 PM
Teams get millions from revenue sharing and there is no rule on how much they can spend. Nothing stops Cleveland or Pittsburgh from getting major free agents except for owners who care more about their bottom line than they do about winning.

You're attacking the wrong strawman.

Even if you choose not to spend big boy money, you can still win consistently. Draft well, have live arms, and develop your talent (Tampa Bay Rays)
Jan 30, 2012 2:27pm
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Jan 30, 2012 2:41 PM
So what have the rays won?
Jan 30, 2012 2:41pm
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Jan 30, 2012 2:50 PM
Crimson streak;1070215 wrote:So what have the rays won?

The AL East in 2008 and 2010, as well as a World Series appearance and a wildcard berth last season over the big money Red Sox... All while having one of the smallest payrolls in baseball
Jan 30, 2012 2:50pm