Belly35;924719 wrote:When did becoming wealth not be a goal?

So we have a group of anti- capitalist, liberal entitlement asshole and unemployed educated Democrat Obama supporter protesting against Wall St. and Wealthy Individuals and Companies. Wanting silly demands and surtax the millionaires. Demonizing rich and wealthy Americans for their and others failures as a productive member of society. Placing the blame on others for their lack of fortitude and worthless Liberal Art degree.

I don’t know about you but I grew up wanting to be rich, have cars, big house and money. I grew up understanding that hard work, confidence, creativity, drive, ambition and goals would be the guidelines to achieve wealth. I grew up with the knowledge that education, dedication and entrepreneur mentality would be the path to riches. If I did not reach those expectations then I had to compromise and over achieve in other areas to reach that goal of living comfortable and rich. I’m not rich, as rich as I had wanted but I’m comfortable and a provider.

This protest is not about taxes … and who pays what. It not Wall St or the Wealthy that has provided the lope holes, back door agreement, tax policies. Government is the problem .. Take a look at the most recent situation Federal Financing Bank and the political payback of the Obama Administration. Protestors turn your ass around an march on Washington, President, Senators and Congress they are the ones that you have a bitch with they are the ones that are lining their pockets with your tax money and wasting Federal revenues.

This is a cry of those who are now beginning to see that their party, their ideas, their agenda are not working and they are being punished for the poor representation they have followed. This is where the socialist is being squeezed by their own theories and don’t understand what happening. Democrat and Socialist always have to a out .. that they done nothing wrong but wrong has been done to them.

What I am seeing is the last breath of the Democrat supporters of Obama fleeing….
Democrat Politicians are grasping that this group for their own survival … not the presidential election of 2012 but for again the vote for their own prosperity. Obama give credence to them but why not the TEA Party movement? The Democrat Socialist Party has created this underlying class turmoil and now faced with the potential self destruction in 2012.

I want to be wealthy, I want to be rich, I want to be a provider, I want to die knowing my family is taken care of, is this type of legacy not longer the goals.

Nice copy pasta.

Anyway, most people want to be rich. I'd love to be rich. However a lot of people are seeing this trend of all the wealth in our country being held by a smaller and smaller group of people disconcerting.

BGFalcons82;924780 wrote:Yes, the only trillionaire on the planet. Think about that, Pants.

Thanks for understanding my points, major. I didn't realize it would go so far over some people's heads. Oh well, I guess that's what happens when you're drunk on Kool-Aid. :laugh:

HHmm, "..protesting rich people." How did we get to this point? A street gathering of miscreants to protest those that have worked their way to the top of the economic ladder? Smacks of blatant jealousy and envy, but it's politically correct as long as they aren't protesting a certain Kenyan marxist agitator-in-chief.

Oh wait...I forgot...they were ALL born with silver spoons in their mouths and didn't work a day in their lives. They ALL belong to the lucky sperm club. They deserve to be dragged into the streets and have their arses kicked. Got it.

The federal government isn't a trillionaire. It has negative money.

If I'm drunk on Kool-Aid then you've been snorting a lot of fucking tea.

To compare this to the Tea Party is actually quite funny. I have been to a Tea Party rally and there were no misspelled signs or people becoming violent. There were even black people at the rally I went to. The people at these rallies (anti-wall street) are mainly big government people or what we consider big government these days. Well at least the few who have been interviewed have sounded like big government people. It's just funny to me to hear that some of them don't even know why they are there.

I Wear Pants;924814 wrote:Nice copy pasta.

Anyway, most people want to be rich. I'd love to be rich. However a lot of people are seeing this trend of all the wealth in our country being held by a smaller and smaller group of people disconcerting.

Copy and paste

If it was easy to be rich everyone would be a club member ... the number of wealth is declining because the economy is bad (thank to the government getting in the way of prosperity) and no one gets rich working for government only benefits are great.


I can't get the OC spell check to work so I use word and then paste My comment are my own thougths and opinions .

I have a serious question. I'm doubting anyone on here truly believes in wealth redistribution so I guess my question is directed to I Wear Pants. What is holding most people back from becoming rich in your mind?

bigdaddy2003;924870 wrote:I have a serious question. I'm doubting anyone on here truly believes in wealth redistribution..

These people DO BELIEVE in re-distribution - http://www.theblaze.com/stories/glenn-reveals-the-video-montage-showing-whos-been-calling-for-wealth-redistribution/

Oh wait...I forgot...they're just like Reagan. I have to go back and re-read the Tolstoy posts on the OC to catch up on my revisionist history.

Here is what is listed as the Tea Party Core Beliefs. Funny stuff also.

NON-NEGOTIABLE CORE BELIEFS OF THE TEA PARTY
1. Illegal Aliens Are Here Illegally.
2. Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
3. Stronger Military Is Essential.
4. Special Interests Eliminated.
5. Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
6. Government Must Be Downsized.
7. National Budget Must Be Balanced.
8. Deficit Spending Will End.
9. Bail-Out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
10. Reduce Personal Income Taxes A Must.
11. Reduce Business Income Taxes Are Mandatory.
12. Political Offices Available To Average Citizens.
13. Intrusive Government Stopped.
14. English As Core Language Is Required.
15. Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

"Common Sense Constitutional Conservative Self-Governance Is Our Mode Of Operation"

I Wear Pants;924814 wrote:Nice copy pasta.

Anyway, most people want to be rich. I'd love to be rich. However a lot of people are seeing this trend of all the wealth in our country being held by a smaller and smaller group of people disconcerting.

Funny thing about wealth. If most people are what we'd call wealthy, then nobody is wealthy, because it then becomes "average" income.

Bigdogg;924920 wrote:Here is what is listed as the Tea Party Core Beliefs. Funny stuff also.

NON-NEGOTIABLE CORE BELIEFS OF THE TEA PARTY
1. Illegal Aliens Are Here Illegally.
2. Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
3. Stronger Military Is Essential.
4. Special Interests Eliminated.
5. Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
6. Government Must Be Downsized.
7. National Budget Must Be Balanced.
8. Deficit Spending Will End.
9. Bail-Out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
10. Reduce Personal Income Taxes A Must.
11. Reduce Business Income Taxes Are Mandatory.
12. Political Offices Available To Average Citizens.
13. Intrusive Government Stopped.
14. English As Core Language Is Required.
15. Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

"Common Sense Constitutional Conservative Self-Governance Is Our Mode Of Operation"

Sadly, many of these have been added upon the hijacking of the original Tea Party, making it almost hypocritical.

Bigdogg;924920 wrote:Here is what is listed as the Tea Party Core Beliefs. Funny stuff also.

NON-NEGOTIABLE CORE BELIEFS OF THE TEA PARTY
1. Illegal Aliens Are Here Illegally.
2. Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
3. Stronger Military Is Essential.
4. Special Interests Eliminated.
5. Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
6. Government Must Be Downsized.
7. National Budget Must Be Balanced.
8. Deficit Spending Will End.
9. Bail-Out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
10. Reduce Personal Income Taxes A Must.
11. Reduce Business Income Taxes Are Mandatory.
12. Political Offices Available To Average Citizens.
13. Intrusive Government Stopped.
14. English As Core Language Is Required.
15. Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

"Common Sense Constitutional Conservative Self-Governance Is Our Mode Of Operation"

Which do you find funny?

O-Trap;924930 wrote:Sadly, many of these have been added upon the hijacking of the original Tea Party, making it almost hypocritical.

Which ones were added after the "hijacking".

majorspark;924935 wrote:Which ones were added after the "hijacking".

Given that the Tea Party started out as a movement by people from any political party who were tired of the reckless spending, the easy additions to spot would be 3, 5, 12, 14, & 15. They don't address, in any way, the problem that the Tea Party was started to address: out if control economic intrusion and spending.

Hell, #3 could be construed as a plan to INCREASE spending in one area, and #15 virtually defies #13.

O-Trap;924956 wrote:Given that the Tea Party started out as a movement by people from any political party who were tired of the reckless spending, the easy additions to spot would be 3, 5, 12, 14, & 15. They don't address, in any way, the problem that the Tea Party was started to address: out if control economic intrusion and spending.

Agree compeltly the Tea Party started out more Libertarian and is now just right wing replublican. SMH

OneBuckeye;924961 wrote:Agree compeltly the Tea Party started out more Libertarian and is now just right wing replublican. SMH

I wouldn't even say that, though it did fit within the Libertarian view harmoniously.

Libertarians tend to believe very strongly in the preservation of the Second Amendment, and the above list DOES support that view (#5). That just wasn't the point of the Tea Party when it began.

You could change #3 from "stronger military" to "stronger DEFENSE," and it would also fit within the traditional Libertarian mission statement, but again, that just isn't the point.

I wish the Tea Party would return to its root beginning. It was stronger that way (namely because Republicans, Democrats, and third parties who were able to join the movement initially may no longer say it stands for what they believe -- myself included).

Bigdogg;924920 wrote:Here is what is listed as the Tea Party Core Beliefs. Funny stuff also.

NON-NEGOTIABLE CORE BELIEFS OF THE TEA PARTY
1. Illegal Aliens Are Here Illegally.
2. Pro-Domestic Employment Is Indispensable.
3. Stronger Military Is Essential.
4. Special Interests Eliminated.
5. Gun Ownership Is Sacred.
6. Government Must Be Downsized.
7. National Budget Must Be Balanced.
8. Deficit Spending Will End.
9. Bail-Out And Stimulus Plans Are Illegal.
10. Reduce Personal Income Taxes A Must.
11. Reduce Business Income Taxes Are Mandatory.
12. Political Offices Available To Average Citizens.
13. Intrusive Government Stopped.
14. English As Core Language Is Required.
15. Traditional Family Values Are Encouraged.

"Common Sense Constitutional Conservative Self-Governance Is Our Mode Of Operation"

Definitely some that have been "added" since the original Tea Party got started, but really, which ones are bad/funny? Most of them are beliefs that get the government's budget in control and head back to the original Consitution.

I think by #15 they mean "No activist Supreme Court dictating what the standard morality of all 50 states and their citizens should be", which has happened numerous times in the last 50 years.

jmog;924989 wrote:Definitely some that have been "added" since the original Tea Party got started, but really, which ones are bad/funny? Most of them are beliefs that get the government's budget in control and head back to the original Consitution.

I'm not a fan of 14 or 15.

FatHobbit;924993 wrote:I'm not a fan of 14 or 15.

You are serious? Well about 14 at least?

bigdaddy2003;924994 wrote:You are serious? Well about 14 at least?

How would #14 not be in conflict with #13?

FatHobbit;924993 wrote:I'm not a fan of 14 or 15.

Nearly every country on the planet has an official language that documents are legally done in, ours has one as well, it just is not "official".

Why is it bad to have family values encouraged? They do not say religious values, they do not say Christian values, they do not say Jewish values, they just say values.

Our criminal laws enforce values, why is it such a bad thing to encourage values?

queencitybuckeye;924997 wrote:How would #14 not be in conflict with #13?

Did you not see the word encourage? It does not say enforce or create family values.

At the end of the day, if the related #6, 7, and 8 aren't accomplished, we will fail as a country and the rest will be irrelevant.

jhay78;924992 wrote:I think by #15 they mean "No activist Supreme Court dictating what the standard morality of all 50 states and their citizens should be", which has happened numerous times in the last 50 years.

That goes both ways, though. By saying that the Federal government should encourage family values, doesn't that suggest that they support doing precisely what you're saying is the problem, but merely in support of the other end of the spectrum?

Morality of things like same-sex marriage/adoption/etc. should not be decided either way by the Federal government. Same with abortion (until such time as it can be undeniably verified that an unborn human is a person - ie a citizen with rights). Those are moral issues at this time, which means the Federal government should encourage neither side of the pendulum ...

... regardless of what someone has decided are "traditional family values."

That one is easily the most ridiculous to appear on the list, and the one that causes the most problem with me, despite the fact that I personally adhere to most of those values in my personal life.

bigdaddy2003;924994 wrote:You are serious? Well about 14 at least?

They don't want to speak English? Fine. What we do need to fix is the idea that we need to cater to those who do not speak a certain language.

It's the beauty of being able to refuse service to anyone for any reason ... though ethnicity is a protected class, the inability to communicate with the good or service provider is not.

bigdaddy2003;924994 wrote:You are serious? Well about 14 at least?

Yes, I don't want the government (or anyone else) to tell me what language I should speak or what values I should hold.

jmog;924998 wrote:Nearly every country on the planet has an official language that documents are legally done in, ours has one as well, it just is not "official".

Why is it bad to have family values encouraged? They do not say religious values, they do not say Christian values, they do not say Jewish values, they just say values.

Our criminal laws enforce values, why is it such a bad thing to encourage values?

We've done ok so far without having an official language. I don't see any need now to change that now. And I don't want them encouraging me to have any values. My values are none of their business.

FatHobbit;925004 wrote:Yes, I don't want the government (or anyone else) to tell me what language I should speak or what values I should hold.

We've done ok so far without having an official language. I don't see any need now to change that now. And I don't want them encouraging me to have any values. My values are none of their business.

Ding ding ding!

The problem with allotting the governing authorities this kind of power is that you are granting them permission to use it in ways you might not like.