Should this have been excessive celebration?

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Aug 31, 2011 12:13 PM
Wow, those refs have feel like complete morons for costing them the game...
Aug 31, 2011 12:13pm
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Aug 31, 2011 12:17 PM
sportchampps;878389 wrote:http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Players-penalized-for-TD-tribute-to-recently-dep?urn=highschool-wp5201

I dont think pointing to the sky is excessive celebration.
Not based on what is seen.

Based on the knowledge that they were warned earlier by the officials not to do it, it changes things just a little.
Aug 31, 2011 12:17pm
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Aug 31, 2011 12:30 PM
Even if they were warned, that's complete BS. They pointed to the dang sky to acknowledge a friend that just passed. Big freakin' deal. OHSAA should be ashamed of themselves for standing behind the call.
Aug 31, 2011 12:30pm
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Aug 31, 2011 12:34 PM
He must be applying for a Big Ten ref job and needed some material for his highlight tape.
Aug 31, 2011 12:34pm
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Aug 31, 2011 12:35 PM
it didnt cost them the game they still could have stopped the other teams offense. if they were warned they shouldnt complain. finally if i were the ref in that situation i would make sure i was conveniently not looking so as not to make it an issue
Aug 31, 2011 12:35pm
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Aug 31, 2011 12:46 PM
GoChiefs;878408 wrote:Even if they were warned, that's complete BS. They pointed to the dang sky to acknowledge a friend that just passed. Big freakin' deal. OHSAA should be ashamed of themselves for standing behind the call.
Disagree, the warning changes everything IMO.
Aug 31, 2011 12:46pm
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Aug 31, 2011 12:56 PM
It's a point of emphasis, and the refs shouldnt be in the business to determine what is a tribute to a friend, or grandstanding, or taunting.

I think the rule itself is a bad one (too much left up to interpretation), and should only be used for instances of taunting, which is easier to spot (think David Boston vs. Charles Woodson)...or cases where the celebrations drags on.
Aug 31, 2011 12:56pm
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Sonofanump

Aug 31, 2011 2:27 PM
Was the celebration excessive? Yes, 9 guys from the team in the endzone after a long pass play.
Did the official know that they are not allow to penalize the team for such celebration because a friend at the school died earlier in the weeK? IDK.
Did the officials verbally ask them to return to their side of the field? IDK.
The problem would not exist if the scoring player would have given the ball to the official and ran to his sideline to celebrate there.
Aug 31, 2011 2:27pm
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Sonofanump

Aug 31, 2011 2:28 PM
It was the backjudge, not the "ref", "refs" or referee that threw the flag.
Aug 31, 2011 2:28pm
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Aug 31, 2011 4:19 PM
The flag may not have been thrown for pointing to the sky...the official may have thrown it for the player jumping on top of the group of other players in the end zone. He ran to the spot and threw his flag, it may have appeared to be for the pointing to the sky, but it could have been that he simply waited until he got to the spot before he threw the flag.
Aug 31, 2011 4:19pm
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Aug 31, 2011 4:35 PM
i think if anything its a late hit on number 11
Aug 31, 2011 4:35pm
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Aug 31, 2011 4:51 PM
Sonofanump;878508 wrote:Was the celebration excessive? Yes, 9 guys from the team in the endzone after a long pass play.
This
I think without the pointing to the sky, this still warrants a flag. If the circumstances did not involve a deceased friend, this would not be a topic of discussion, and I think most would consider that celebration excessive.

This is more evident if in fact they had been warned previously about the issue.
Aug 31, 2011 4:51pm
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Aug 31, 2011 4:59 PM
It wasnt a show, or taunting...what happen to be allowed to get excited after a nice score....especially when you score the go ahead TD....
Aug 31, 2011 4:59pm
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Aug 31, 2011 5:16 PM
ksig489;878604 wrote:The flag may not have been thrown for pointing to the sky...the official may have thrown it for the player jumping on top of the group of other players in the end zone. He ran to the spot and threw his flag, it may have appeared to be for the pointing to the sky, but it could have been that he simply waited until he got to the spot before he threw the flag.
This is what I was thinking when I watched the video earlier today. I think the kid running in and jumping on the pile is what drew the flag.
Aug 31, 2011 5:16pm
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Aug 31, 2011 5:25 PM
sherm03;878644 wrote:This is what I was thinking when I watched the video earlier today. I think the kid running in and jumping on the pile is what drew the flag.

No, the official himself has said that the pointing is what drew the flag. But that is second hand info, so take it for what its worth.
Aug 31, 2011 5:25pm
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Aug 31, 2011 5:32 PM
wrote:Still, Louisville fans and football parents are still in an uproar over the perceived slight, or lack of flexibility shown by officials in a season-opening football clash for both schools.
Slight or lack of flexibility? Where exactly should the rules apply and to which schools?
Aug 31, 2011 5:32pm
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Sonofanump

Aug 31, 2011 5:33 PM
This is what really matters:
As the AP reported, Ohio High School Athletic Association assistant commissioner Henry Zaborniak said that the game officials responsible for the call were actually correct in penalizing the tribute, as it could be considered offensive to the other team without first knowing the context of the gesture.
Aug 31, 2011 5:33pm
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Aug 31, 2011 5:40 PM
So OSHAA opinion is what matters? Not everyone elses? Hmm, just beacause they support the call, and no way did the other team not know what happened.
Aug 31, 2011 5:40pm
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Aug 31, 2011 5:47 PM
WOW Did they get an OVAC ref for that game? What a frigging joke .. I hate refs that feel like gods at there jobs .. that incopetant boob needs to never ref again . I want to say alot more but im not
Aug 31, 2011 5:47pm
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Aug 31, 2011 5:58 PM
Most Ref's are just kids that couldn't or didn't get to play the game when they were younger so now they get to take out their revenge!
Aug 31, 2011 5:58pm
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Aug 31, 2011 6:24 PM
Sonofanump;878508 wrote:Was the celebration excessive? Yes, 9 guys from the team in the endzone after a long pass play.
Hmmmmm. After every score the Cavs greet the player in the end zone. Been doing it for years and not once has anything been done...that includes the State games.

From the video I saw, I actually missed it because it happened so fast and with his teammates. Officials can use discretion. I will admit, this is the first I heard of a "warning" been given prior. If a warning had been given, I wonder if they were thinking something a bit more...substantial.

If they were warned then the officials also probably knew the reason. If that is all that was done then they could have turned a blind eye to it.
Aug 31, 2011 6:24pm
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Aug 31, 2011 6:28 PM
Sonofanump;878652 wrote:This is what really matters:

As the AP reported, Ohio High School Athletic Association assistant commissioner Henry Zaborniak said that the game officials responsible for the call were actually correct in penalizing the tribute, as it could be considered offensive to the other team without first knowing the context of the gesture.
Let's see how a town will react if the cops start nailing residents for jaywalking. Hey, it's against the law and they're enforcing the law. Discretion please.
Aug 31, 2011 6:28pm
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Aug 31, 2011 6:40 PM
Captain Cavalier;878679 wrote:Let's see how a town will react if the cops start nailing residents for jaywalking. Hey, it's against the law and they're enforcing the law. Discretion please.
Yep and they can put you in jail for adultary in some states
Aug 31, 2011 6:40pm
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Sonofanump

Aug 31, 2011 7:32 PM
Captain Cavalier;878679 wrote:Let's see how a town will react if the cops start nailing residents for jaywalking. Hey, it's against the law and they're enforcing the law. Discretion please.
Bahaahaahaa.
Aug 31, 2011 7:32pm