Is there any explanation as to why???? Is it a religious thing or is it actually a health issue????

I know Jamaca is really homophobic...or should I say religious Jamaca. Anyone who listens to Reggae knows this. What's the term that they always use in reggae songs, i forget???

websurfinbird - proof? i'm pretty sure people have some very justifiable reasons that would lead them to believe that it is a choice...it all depends on how you look at it and what side of the fence you're on. all in all its a pretty outrageous proposed law that seems a little genocide-ish to me

I used to think it was a choice but then I grew up and and have come to be very good friends with some gay people and realized they didn't have a choice that is the way they are!

mexappeal12 wrote: Well said websurfinbird...

Also, gays are not the only people who spread AIDS. It makes me sad that people still blame AIDS on gays. It may have spread faster in that community because of the lack of safer sexual practices and a higher rate of promiscuity, especially in the beginning of the spread of AIDS. Unfortunately, this misconception only hurts everyone because straight people feel like it won't happen to them because they are not gay.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34337416#34337416

Excellent point.

balk14 wrote: websurfinbird - proof? i'm pretty sure people have some very justifiable reasons that would lead them to believe that it is a choice...it all depends on how you look at it and what side of the fence you're on. all in all its a pretty outrageous proposed law that seems a little genocide-ish to me

While I'm sure I can dig up some studies to support my case (and I'm sure the opposition could as well), I'd rather point to the example of my friend who HATED being gay. His father is a very conservative person, and he didn't come out to him until after he graduated from college. His father disowned him and I know it was a very hard thing for him. He now lives in Japan and has finally found happiness with someone there. My point is he had to go through a lot to get there.


For the doubters, let me put it to you this way. Did you wake up one morning and say hmmm I think I'm going to be heterosexual today? Probably not, you just knew, and so do homosexuals, bi-sexuals and any other "sexuals" you can think of.

What we all have a choice in is how we ACT on our sexual desires.

If people want some links I'll find some, but I know someone will try to refute them.

Awesome post Websurfinbird!!

Fab1b wrote: Awesome post Websurfinbird!!

Thanks Fab1b. And to add to the discussion, here is a link from the American Psychological Association on homosexuality.

http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.html


To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation (sometimes called reparative or conversion therapy) is safe or effective. Furthermore, it seems likely that the promotion of change therapies reinforces stereotypes and contributes to a negative climate for lesbian, gay, and bisexual persons. This appears to be especially likely for lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals who grow up in more conservative religious settings.

Websurfinbird... That is exactly what I tell people when they say being gay is a choice. What if tomorrow you wake up in a world where being straight is outside of the norm. No one told you to choose being straight you just are and everyone is telling you that you are wrong and that you choose to be straight. That is the only way you can try and understand what it is like for gay people. They have always been attracted to the same sex and people who can't empathize because they just happened to be born within the norm judge something they have never truly tried to understand.

People who think all the gay people in the world are choosing to be gay for attention are some of the biggest idiots you'll ever meet, it defies all logic.

I don't remember choosing to be straight. I remember finding a porn at my friends house when I was 11 and thinking "hmm, that seems like something I'd like to do."

And how tough mentally are these gay people that are just choosing to be gay? My god, if they are then put these people in the Navy SEALS because that will be cake compared to what they're doing. I'd sooner be able to kill people in the most horrific ways 1000x's over before willing myself to get drilled by dudes the rest of my life so I could get more attention.

Reason #5,189,172 as to why Africa is where it is today. Unbelievable.

Websurfinbird wrote: While I'm sure I can dig up some studies to support my case (and I'm sure the opposition could as well), I'd rather point to the example of my friend who HATED being gay. His father is a very conservative person, and he didn't come out to him until after he graduated from college. His father disowned him and I know it was a very hard thing for him. He now lives in Japan and has finally found happiness with someone there. My point is he had to go through a lot to get there.


For the doubters, let me put it to you this way. Did you wake up one morning and say hmmm I think I'm going to be heterosexual today? Probably not, you just knew, and so do homosexuals, bi-sexuals and any other "sexuals" you can think of.

What we all have a choice in is how we ACT on our sexual desires.

If people want some links I'll find some, but I know someone will try to refute them.

Great post.

Yea, Websurfinbird pretty much hit the nail on the head.

If being gay was a choice, then everybody could choose to be gay. Sorry, but I ain't bangin no dudes.

Crazy, but I'd just throw them in jail.

mtgrad_2013 wrote: Crazy, but I'd just throw them in jail.

Luckily you're still young. You've still got a chance to grow out of that line of thinking.

If your post was sarcasm then disregard that.

balk14 wrote: websurfinbird - proof? i'm pretty sure people have some very justifiable reasons that would lead them to believe that it is a choice...it all depends on how you look at it and what side of the fence you're on. all in all its a pretty outrageous proposed law that seems a little genocide-ish to me

There is no "fence" . . . . it is so obviously not a choice that thinking otherwise simply defies logic and insults intelligence.

Choice or biological, it doesn't matter for me. I don't care what somebody does in their bedroom. Why should I? I don't understand the mindset that a lot of Americans are in where they feel it is their right or responsibility to push their beliefs and morals on others. Our country is made better (in my opinion) by the differences between all of us. Why would I want everybody to have the same beliefs and thoughts that I do? There would be no heated political debates, discussions about morality, or any of the sort. Whether or not a person is gay has no bearing on my life. I'm glad they have found what it is that makes them happy.

This legislation is utterly ridiculous and inhumane. That being said, this in no way affects my desire to move to Uganda. Prior to this it rated somewhere near having my big toes cut off and sitting through a 3 hour concert of Roseanne Barr singing Frank Sinatra covers on my desire meter. It really hasn't moved.

Hopefully Adam Lambert has a stop there while on tour.

I was just reading this story in the paper. This is very, very sad. Whether you are pro or anti gay on this issue, we can all agree that this is tragic. Religious or not, we can all agree that homosexuality doesn't need to be considered a crime anywhere.

Websurfinbird, you are the voice of reason, and have earned my respect. All of your posts are spot on.

To anyone who still thinks this is a choice, there have been instances in several different animals in the wild of homosexuality, with no human coercion. Scientists have also had priomising results in brain studies which show different brain chemistry based on different sexual orientation. I would quote sources, but I huddle from my phone only. I will tell you that all of this can be backed up by a documentary called "for the bible tells me so". I would encourage everyone to watch it.

To mtgrad, I hope you are sarcastic. If not, realize that you are still quite young and opinions and viewpoints often change after high school, especially in college.

To everyone else, it has been great to read all of these encouraging posts. I think this has to be the best freehuddle moment that I have had, because on the other huddle this thread would be full of hateful trolling with racist bigotry and comments like "kill them all". Thanks for keeping it classy.

2kool4skool wrote:I remember finding a porn at my friends house when I was 11 and thinking "hmm, that seems like something I'd like to do."

haha, nice.

I do think that this has been full of quality, insightful posts that I indeed am not sure could have existed on JJ's. It was a pleasure to read.

Websurfinbird wrote:

balk14 wrote: websurfinbird - proof? i'm pretty sure people have some very justifiable reasons that would lead them to believe that it is a choice...it all depends on how you look at it and what side of the fence you're on. all in all its a pretty outrageous proposed law that seems a little genocide-ish to me

While I'm sure I can dig up some studies to support my case (and I'm sure the opposition could as well), I'd rather point to the example of my friend who HATED being gay. His father is a very conservative person, and he didn't come out to him until after he graduated from college. His father disowned him and I know it was a very hard thing for him. He now lives in Japan and has finally found happiness with someone there. My point is he had to go through a lot to get there.


For the doubters, let me put it to you this way. Did you wake up one morning and say hmmm I think I'm going to be heterosexual today? Probably not, you just knew, and so do homosexuals, bi-sexuals and any other "sexuals" you can think of.

What we all have a choice in is how we ACT on our sexual desires.

If people want some links I'll find some, but I know someone will try to refute them.

How dare you bring logic into this discussion!!! This is the internet, no need for rational, open-minded and tolerant thinking.

2kool4skool wrote:I remember finding a porn at my friends house when I was 11 and thinking "hmm, that seems like something I'd like to do."

Maybe some day you will be able to do that stuff.