USA becomes Food Stamp Nation - http://t.co/9WyaKSB >> 46M ppl (or 15% of the US population) are on food stamps. Really? REALLY? #ComeOnPPL

did you also know that 1 in 7 ppl live in poverty and the poverty rate is at an all time high, esp for children who benefit greatly from food stamps. That means about $20,000 for a family of four. It serves as a supplement to those who earn shit.

Yeah but ppl shouldn't be reproducing if they can't even provide for themselves. How you gonna provide for someone else? There's WAAAAYYYY too many ppl in this country that are LIVING off of food stamps. The idea of food stamps is to provide relief, not to sustain. If momma can't provide food for herself, then momma doesn't need to be having 4 children who are going to be free riding off the system. Let's not contribute to the deficit, let's work to resolve it.

so sterilize poor ppl?

The World Health Organization defines reproductive rights as:

Reproductive rights rest on the recognition of the basic right of all couples and individuals to decide freely and RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing, and timing of their children and to have the information AND MEANS to do so.

If you can't be responsible for your own, and if you don't have the means to provide for your own, then you shouldn't be bumpin uglies.

Fab1b;871336 wrote:I side with you!

Fab1b;871339 wrote:Nope, I hate people having children without the means to support them. That includes my sister who is having her 3rd in Sept. She barely escaped with her life this time as i was going to kill her and her man!!

BR1986FB;871346 wrote:Not targeting your sister but they (the food stamp collectors) become baby machines so they can collect more & more food stamps. Know a situation where the mother of 5 kids, by the age of EIGHTEEN, was going to get her tubes tied and her "momma" said "don't be doin' that. You want to keep those food stamps/welfare rollin' in." It's fucking pathetic. This is a subject you REALLY don't want to get me started on.

queencitybuckeye;871348 wrote:Basic economics tells us what you subsidize, you get more of.

Fab1b;871345 wrote:Yeah the stuff they can buy with these benefits are mindblowing and some of them allow you to get cash so then you can just go buy what they won't allow you to with the card anyways!

BR1986FB;871354 wrote:And the "baby daddy's" are as bad at mooching as the mommas. They refuse to go get a job or, better yet, deal drugs, not getting taxed. Fucking pieces of shit.

Fab1b;871359 wrote:My sisters man is a POS!!!! I call him Cousin Eddie

Belly35;871399 wrote:People are poor because they want to be poor...

BoatShoes;871413 wrote:In reply to the argument.

BR1986FB brings up the familiar situations of abuse that we all know occur. But this is the exception and not the rule...especially now when we have >9% unemployment. Your friend did not give a clever retort but your implication when you say "come on people" is that people on food stamps, by and large, desire to be parasites on the national welfare state; that this is somehow, for the most part, because people are lazy and want a free ride. Everyone always wants to talk about the one baby momma they know who's a welfare queen. I live in downtown Cleveland and am familiar with this demographic. Well, that's fine....but even if we accept that those people exist and are scum...they are not the reason we are a "food stamp nation" now. There are obvious problems of abuse. I am not disputing that.

But, we are a food stamp nation because we have a dismal economy and disastrously high and persistent unemployment and believe it or not, were it not for food stamps aggregate demand would be even worse and all of those stores still selling food to these people would be adding more people to the unemployment insurance dole. Hell, there are people I know with J.D.'s that face the prospect of going on food stamps for heaven's sake. I can assure you that they'd rather be working. For most people it is heart-wrenching to have to walk into the county office and tell somebody that you can't afford to support yourself. So it seems both you and your friend have elements of wrongness in your positions IMHO. Perhaps you might have more of an argument if there was 5% unemployment but that is not the world we're living in.

BoatShoes;871413 wrote:In reply to the argument.

BR1986FB brings up the familiar situations of abuse that we all know occur. But this is the exception and not the rule...especially now when we have >9% unemployment. Your friend did not give a clever retort but your implication when you say "come on people" is that people on food stamps, by and large, desire to be parasites on the national welfare state; that this is somehow, for the most part, because people are lazy and want a free ride. Everyone always wants to talk about the one baby momma they know who's a welfare queen. I live in downtown Cleveland and am familiar with this demographic. Well, that's fine....but even if we accept that those people exist and are scum...they are not the reason we are a "food stamp nation" now. There are obvious problems of abuse. I am not disputing that.

But, we are a food stamp nation because we have a dismal economy and disastrously high and persistent unemployment and believe it or not, were it not for food stamps aggregate demand would be even worse and all of those stores still selling food to these people would be adding more people to the unemployment insurance dole. Hell, there are people I know with J.D.'s that face the prospect of going on food stamps for heaven's sake. I can assure you that they'd rather be working. For most people it is heart-wrenching to have to walk into the county office and tell somebody that you can't afford to support yourself. So it seems both you and your friend have elements of wrongness in your positions IMHO. Perhaps you might have more of an argument if there was 5% unemployment but that is not the world we're living in.