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bigkahuna

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Aug 12, 2011 9:34 PM
Couldn't they just wait until week 2?

We had kids move into the district last minute and had to sit out the 1st week until they reach all requirements.
Aug 12, 2011 9:34pm
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2kool4skool

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Aug 12, 2011 9:36 PM
He made a choice to sacrifice the required amount of practice days in exchange for attending basic training. Now he will have to miss the first week just like any other player would. He shouldn't get special treatment.
Aug 12, 2011 9:36pm
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rydawg5

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Aug 12, 2011 10:17 PM
rules are rules.
Aug 12, 2011 10:17pm
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1_beast

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Aug 12, 2011 10:26 PM
this is a stooopid rule...when pertaining to boot camp, im sure the kid will be in better shape than 100% of the linemen, not to mention most others on the team as well.
Aug 12, 2011 10:26pm
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ts1227

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Aug 12, 2011 10:30 PM
Yeah, I fail to see why being a soldier is relevant to this. He didn't meet the minimum, regardless of reason
Aug 12, 2011 10:30pm
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thePITman

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Aug 13, 2011 8:36 AM
I like this quote from the article:
"Our sports medicine committee continues to feel that being in shape and being in football shape are two different things. We've had this issue a number of times. It's been brought to the board's attention, and they've consistently said that they're not interested in modifying this policy."
Like others said, it was the kid's decision to make the sacrifice.
Aug 13, 2011 8:36am
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Glory Days

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Aug 13, 2011 8:49 AM
Our sports medicine committee continues to feel that being in shape and being in football shape are two different things
football shape? really?
Aug 13, 2011 8:49am
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jc10380

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Aug 13, 2011 10:13 AM
ccrunner609;861012 wrote:yeah I know, its not like he was running CC.

Yeah, being in football shape actually requires some skill.
Aug 13, 2011 10:13am
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DeyDurkie5

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Aug 13, 2011 10:15 AM
jc10380;861034 wrote:Yeah, being in football shape actually requires some skill.

lol
Aug 13, 2011 10:15am
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thavoice

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Aug 13, 2011 10:16 AM
They are going by the letter of the rule.
If they dont then what stops the next kid from doing something else and missing the required football practices? Maybe he was on a traveling/legion baseball team? Some AAU hoops team? Some sort of sports camps or whatever? Kid could say that he was staying in shape.
Then it could morph into some kids who just 'decide' late to join?

What is this getting at?

Slippery slope.
Aug 13, 2011 10:16am
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thavoice

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Aug 13, 2011 10:29 AM
Football shape and being in shape.

There IS some difference when it pertains to hitting. Football shape means getting the body in shape for hitting. Nothing really can get your body into that type of shape other than some sort of football practice where you hitting, tackling, blocking and such.

I graduated basic last fall at Ft Benning. What type of shape was I in when I graduated? Well, I could do more pushups and situps than ever before, and my legs were stronger from the ruck marches.

My running though degraded. You dont run a whole lot so as far as in cardio running shape I presume that he could be behind the curve.

COudl I have been ready to play football? I didnt read the story to see how many practices the kid attended. I would have probably liked 6-7 days of hitting before wanting to play in a game though.
Aug 13, 2011 10:29am
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areyoukiddingme

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Aug 13, 2011 10:40 AM
thavoice,

I agree. Having gone through Navy bootcamp and playing football just years prior, they are two different things.

Your body isn't used to being hit, running isn't the same, etc. Sure, you may be in better shape than 99% of the other kids, but it's just NOT the same.
Aug 13, 2011 10:40am
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Aug 13, 2011 10:53 AM
thavoice;861039 wrote:
My running though degraded. You dont run a whole lot so as far as in cardio running shape I presume that he could be behind the curve.
Really you guys didn't run alot?

I do agree though the kid should have to sit out a week because it is a rule. If they didn't make him sit out and he got hurt that would not be a great thing.
Aug 13, 2011 10:53am
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thavoice

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Aug 13, 2011 10:58 AM
areyoukiddingme;861046 wrote:thavoice,

I agree. Having gone through Navy bootcamp and playing football just years prior, they are two different things.

Your body isn't used to being hit, running isn't the same, etc. Sure, you may be in better shape than 99% of the other kids, but it's just NOT the same.
My brother went through Navy bootcamp in like 2003 and said he started to get OUT of shape while he was there, and if it wasnt for doing PT on his own and going to the dive motivators (he went on to become a SEAL) he woulda came back thinner but in worst shape.


This football player would have came in better shape in some aspects than many of the players that is for sure. He would have done fine in his running conditioning (I was more talking about how long endurance runs really got worse for me after bct) but getting the body into hitting shape takes time. It takes time, maybe up to 10 days or so of hitting practices to really get up to snuff.

This story takes on a diff route because he was at BCT and not just a kid at home eating cheezeypoofs. You know the root at this in making the decision is to not start the slipperly slope to let others do the same thing with not going through some sort of military training.
Aug 13, 2011 10:58am
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thavoice

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Aug 13, 2011 11:05 AM
Tiger2003;861055 wrote:Really you guys didn't run alot?

I do agree though the kid should have to sit out a week because it is a rule. If they didn't make him sit out and he got hurt that would not be a great thing.

I could go either way with this ruling. If you allow him and he gets hurt......possible lawsuit, or what about the slipperly slope that if you allow it for him why not other kids who are in shape?

I guess they could make a bylay taht if you are at basic fo the military ya need

As for us and running.....yeah. We didnt run a whole lot and to be honest it sucked. Maybe 3 days a week and at that maybe like 60/120's sprint walks, and every couple of weeks an ability run that ya did maybe 2 miles with.

My endurance went to hell. I lost over a a minute on my two mile throughout basic and AI> We actually ran more at AIT at Bragg. I was used to running 20-30 miles per week before I left and a half marathon at a 7:59 pace so I was really into running. Ya def slim down as you dont get to eat food that isnt good for ya and ya only eat 3 times a day (basically food good for ya that could could shovel down your throat in 3-5 minutes)
Aug 13, 2011 11:05am
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Aug 13, 2011 12:45 PM
Acclimation to the conditioning, the weather, and then getting used to the pads, helmet, etc., and hitting and taking hits. There are rules around this for a reason, and I'm glad they're being followed. Just because this kid went to boot camp doesn't make him any more special than the other kids.
Aug 13, 2011 12:45pm
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Aug 13, 2011 12:58 PM
thePITman;861145 wrote:Acclimation to the conditioning, the weather, and then getting used to the pads, helmet, etc., and hitting and taking hits. There are rules around this for a reason, and I'm glad they're being followed. Just because this kid went to boot camp doesn't make him any more special than the other kids.

This. Its a major liability by the school, the OHSAA, everyone involved to not have this sort of rule in place
Aug 13, 2011 12:58pm
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sportchampps

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Aug 13, 2011 2:23 PM
I could go either way with this ruling. If you allow him and he gets hurt......possible lawsuit, or what about the slipperly slope that if you allow it for him why not other kids who are in shape?
The kids parents had a wavier drawn up giving up their right to sue.
Aug 13, 2011 2:23pm
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se-alum

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Aug 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Yea, the article title is completely misleading.
Aug 13, 2011 2:47pm
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Con_Alma

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Aug 13, 2011 3:22 PM
It's the right decision to force this kid to complete the required acclimation days.
Aug 13, 2011 3:22pm
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Glory Days

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Aug 13, 2011 5:34 PM
haha getting the body used to hitting. i would love to see anything showing that is more than another sports myth. i mean, remember when coaches wouldnt give their kids water?
Aug 13, 2011 5:34pm
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Aug 13, 2011 5:59 PM
sportchampps;861236 wrote:The kids parents had a wavier drawn up giving up their right to sue.

No, because then stupid people would start waiving their rights and then get upset when their son/daughter gets injured and they then turn and say "Well, we wouldn't have written up a waiver but we were told that was the only way to do it." Even if the OHSAA/school wins the case, they still have to fight it. It's easier to have a blanket rule that applies to EVERYONE.
Aug 13, 2011 5:59pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Aug 14, 2011 10:58 AM
rydawg5;860677 wrote:rules are rules.

Rules exist for a reason. Sometimes the reason doesn't fit the circumstances and thinking people can make exceptions. This is one of those times.
Aug 14, 2011 10:58am
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Aug 14, 2011 11:02 AM
some of you (glory days) obviously havent played football.
Aug 14, 2011 11:02am