Hb31187;858301 wrote:Hr pose....hurts your ego
Chin music hurts your livelihood potentially

Seems QUITE a bit excessive. And IDC if its one of baseballs MANY(and retarded too btw) "unwritten rules"

I did not say either bitch move is appropriate. Don't be surprised if one punk move results in another punk move.

NNN;857969 wrote:Heaven forbid that 11-year-olds be allowed to have a little fun playing a game. Things like displays of emotion must be beaten out of them at a young age, otherwise they go on and continue on their way, thinking that sports are fun and enjoyable.

Of course, then there's the extremely juvenile response of throwing at someone who dares to do something. Maybe it's just me, but the proper response to someone hot-dogging is to then make sure that they don't do it again by doing your own job. Don't like a receiver celebrating a touchdown? Shut him down the rest of the way; don't go hitting him after the whistle. Don't like someone scoring a goal? Next time make the save. Throwing at someone can do one of the following:
1) At minimum - it puts a guy on base. The job of a pitcher is to keep hitters off base, not give them free passes. And any hitter worth a damn is willing to take a free base.
2) Moderate - it puts a guy on base, then it triggers a reciprocal response that either gets you plunked or one of your guys. Way to put your teammates in harm's way.
3) Maximum - it puts a guy on base, and it either triggers reciprocation OR it gets you ejected. Nice job getting thrown out of a game because you can't handle a little adversity. Now, go do what the other overgrown children in MLB do and go put a bat to the water cooler, then empty the bat rack.

Little League Baseball is not the place for showboating or showing up the opposing team/pitcher. You can have FUN playing the sport without flipping the bat and strutting down the first base line, or celebrating a strikeout like that dbag Jose Valverde. You want to celebrate and have fun, do it with your teammates. You can show emotion without singling yourself out. I don't blame the kid, he is doing what he sees from his major league idols. But the coach needs to let him know what is and isn't sportsmanlike.

And I don't figure that pitchers in the LLWS are going to start knocking down his teammates for his antics, but at some level either he or his teammates will be on the receiving end if he continues to show pitchers up. I'm not saying it is the right thing to do, but it is done and certain coaches/managers/players will have no problem doing it.

I know personally, with helping out w/ the local varsity high school team, we would have had a conversation w/ our team/player if they were to show up an opponent. Play the game hard, respect the game and your opponent, and have a good time doing it. Is it that hard to do that without making it a "look at me" moment?

Tiger2003;857991 wrote:What else do you wanna watch on ESPN during this time?

Example: Last night...the game lasts FOR-EV-ER! Causes me to miss 20 minutes of the USMNT v. Mexico match...

wkfan;858490 wrote: To some degree, the players in MLB are there as entertainers. LLWS players are not.
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To some degree, you're wrong. If the LLWS is broadcasted on ESPN, is that not entertainment? Are we not paying for it?

OSH;858608 wrote:Example: Last night...the game lasts FOR-EV-ER! Causes me to miss 20 minutes of the USMNT v. Mexico match...

ESPN3.com

lhslep134;858618 wrote:To some degree, you're wrong. If the LLWS is broadcasted on ESPN, is that not entertainment?

So, in your mind, anything that is broadcast on television is meant to entertain??

en·ter·tain (ntr-tn)
v. en·ter·tained, en·ter·tain·ing, en·ter·tains
1. To hold the attention of with something amusing or diverting. See Synonyms at amuse.
2. To extend hospitality toward: entertain friends at dinner.
3.
a. To consider; contemplate: entertain an idea.
b. To hold in mind; harbor: entertained few illusions.
4. Archaic To continue with; maintain.
5. Obsolete To employ; hire.
6. To give admittance to; receive.

Tiger2003;858647 wrote:ESPN3.com

Not when I am out with friends at a sports bar wanting to watch the game when it comes on.

Obviously I know there are other routes, but a computer and ESPN3 is not always readily available.

lhslep134;858618 wrote:To some degree, you're wrong. If the LLWS is broadcasted on ESPN, is that not entertainment? Are we not paying for it?

you are paying the channel. they receive nothing.

A kid on deck when I played little league told our coach were a bunch of **** cause we had purple in or team colors. My coach called time and told our pitcher to put it in his eat hole lol.

Wooball;858568 wrote:Little League Baseball is not the place for showboating or showing up the opposing team/pitcher. You can have FUN playing the sport without flipping the bat and strutting down the first base line, or celebrating a strikeout like that dbag Jose Valverde. You want to celebrate and have fun, do it with your teammates. You can show emotion without singling yourself out. I don't blame the kid, he is doing what he sees from his major league idols. But the coach needs to let him know what is and isn't sportsmanlike.

And I don't figure that pitchers in the LLWS are going to start knocking down his teammates for his antics, but at some level either he or his teammates will be on the receiving end if he continues to show pitchers up. I'm not saying it is the right thing to do, but it is done and certain coaches/managers/players will have no problem doing it.

I know personally, with helping out w/ the local varsity high school team, we would have had a conversation w/ our team/player if they were to show up an opponent. Play the game hard, respect the game and your opponent, and have a good time doing it. Is it that hard to do that without making it a "look at me" moment?

It's funny...players and coaches in every other sport have figured out the difference between "celebrating" and "showing up" except for baseball. And players and coaches in every other sport have also figured out that the best medicine, even after having been shown up, is to grow a pair and deal with it instead of throwing a tantrum.

Showing up an opposing pitcher would be exactly the same type of thing that it would be in any other sport...the staredown after adding to the scoreboard, maybe giving the pitcher a slow clap while running the bases, that type of thing. Flipping the bat is no more "showing up" than spiking a football after a touchdown. According to your logic (which is common in baseball), a home run trot or a slow jog to first after the fourth ball would also be showing up the opposing pitcher.

Glory Days;858825 wrote:they receive nothing.

False. The teams who qualify for the LLWS from each prospective region is given a regional jersey to wear from the LLWS which is funded in part by: ESPN, ergo, us.

Look, if it's televised, it's entertainment. Does that give them the right to act pretentious when hitting a homerun? No, but I really don't care. I just don't watch because it's a very very low form of entertainment and I can find a lot of other things to watch than little league baseball. Similar to women's sports.

NNN;858895 wrote:It's funny...players and coaches in every other sport have figured out the difference between "celebrating" and "showing up" except for baseball. And players and coaches in every other sport have also figured out that the best medicine, even after having been shown up, is to grow a pair and deal with it instead of throwing a tantrum.

Showing up an opposing pitcher would be exactly the same type of thing that it would be in any other sport...the staredown after adding to the scoreboard, maybe giving the pitcher a slow clap while running the bases, that type of thing. Flipping the bat is no more "showing up" than spiking a football after a touchdown. According to your logic (which is common in baseball), a home run trot or a slow jog to first after the fourth ball would also be showing up the opposing pitcher.

Baseball has no physical contact. Your telling me that in the NFL or NBA that if a player shows up his opposition he isn't going to take a hard foul or "get the business" in the bottom of a pile? You show up your opponent, you take the chance that they will try to pay you back. Do you get all bent out of shape if a guy would give a hard foul in an NBA game to "send a message" in an NBA game because the 2 free throws negatively impact his team?

NNN;858895 wrote:It's funny...players and coaches in every other sport have figured out the difference between "celebrating" and "showing up" except for baseball. And players and coaches in every other sport have also figured out that the best medicine, even after having been shown up, is to grow a pair and deal with it instead of throwing a tantrum.

Showing up an opposing pitcher would be exactly the same type of thing that it would be in any other sport...the staredown after adding to the scoreboard, maybe giving the pitcher a slow clap while running the bases, that type of thing. Flipping the bat is no more "showing up" than spiking a football after a touchdown. According to your logic (which is common in baseball), a home run trot or a slow jog to first after the fourth ball would also be showing up the opposing pitcher.

no, pumping your fist and trotting around the bases is equal to spiking the football. flipping the bat is equal to running out to the 50 yard line on the opposing team's field after you score.

Glory Days;858957 wrote:no, pumping your fist and trotting around the bases is equal to spiking the football. flipping the bat is equal to running out to the 50 yard line on the opposing team's field after you score.

You're serious?

Glory Days;858957 wrote:no, pumping your fist and trotting around the bases is equal to spiking the football. flipping the bat is equal to running out to the 50 yard line on the opposing team's field after you score.

Clearly you've never played at the high school level of baseball or better. The ignorance in this statement is laughable to say the least.

Hb31187;858982 wrote:You're serious?

yes, its called taunting.

lhslep134;858989 wrote:Clearly you've never played at the high school level of baseball or better. The ignorance in this statement is laughable to say the least.

i have for both. nobody flipped their bats on each HR. yet in football, just about everyone spikes the ball.

Glory Days;858992 wrote:yes, its called taunting.

Glory Days;858992 wrote:yes, its called taunting.

Comparing a bat flip, which happens routinely to spiking it on the 50 yard line(which has happened twice, in 1 game) in the entire history of football.

If anything, its comparable to an excessive endzone dance. In either case, stop the person from scoring and you dont have to worry about them rubbin your face in it.

Hb31187;858997 wrote:Comparing a bat flip, which happens routinely to spiking it on the 50 yard line(which has happened twice, in 1 game) in the entire history of football.

If anything, its comparable to an excessive endzone dance. In either case, stop the person from scoring and you dont have to worry about them rubbin your face in it.

flipping the bat happens routinely? i can probably count the number of times its happend in the MLB this year on my hand. and yet, each time, the next batter gets one in his earhole.

NNN;858895 wrote: Showing up an opposing pitcher would be exactly the same type of thing that it would be in any other sport...the staredown after adding to the scoreboard, maybe giving the pitcher a slow clap while running the bases, that type of thing. Flipping the bat is no more "showing up" than spiking a football after a touchdown. According to your logic (which is common in baseball), a home run trot or a slow jog to first after the fourth ball would also be showing up the opposing pitcher.

Awful comparison. Now, at most levels, if a guy makes a big play, touchdown or not, and spikes the football it results in a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty. In basketball, if a guy hangs on the rim after a dunk, he gets T'd up. In baseball if a guy slow trots, flips his bat, etc. there is no penalty against his team. Either his own coach takes care of his actions, or eventually an opposing team will.

Glory Days;859003 wrote:flipping the bat happens routinely? i can probably count the number of times its happend in the MLB this year on my hand. and yet, each time, the next batter gets one in his earhole.

Compared to spiking the ball on the 50? Yes, yes it does

Wooball;858943 wrote:Baseball has no physical contact. Your telling me that in the NFL or NBA that if a player shows up his opposition he isn't going to take a hard foul or "get the business" in the bottom of a pile?

In the NFL (or any level of football), retaliation is the ultimate taboo because it's usually seen and it's always 15 yards (and sometimes an ejection). Also, the only players who really possess the means to show up an opponent are peripheral to the middle of the field; a receiver or a quarterback is unlikely to actually end up in a pileup.

You show up your opponent, you take the chance that they will try to pay you back.

That's why picking on high-strung opponents is so fun. I played hockey for about 10 years (in addition to several years of football and baseball), and I got more guys kicked out of games than I took penalties. I got four guys booted, and took three penalties. I remember in a game one time, I made a bad defensive play and got turned around; next thing I know, the puck's in the net. He actually stuck his tongue out at me (lifted the visor to do it too) and said "Nice play, asshole". I did nothing. When I got back to the bench, the coach asked why I hadn't done anything. I said "I'm not taking a penalty on something that dumb after I already cost us a goal. And he'll get his anyway."

A few minutes later, he's in the vicinity of the crease, so I begin trying to extract him. By that, I mean I pressed the toe of the blade of my stick into the back of his knee. It's not a penalty, it doesn't look like a penalty, but it's painful if you apply enough pressure (which I did). This guy goes nuts, first cross-checking me in the face (I had a cage on), then throwing his stick down and jumping on me. He got 5 and a game, and I got nothing. We scored 3 power play goals and ended up winning, with that being the turning point.

Would I have done it even if he hadn't been a prick earlier? Absolutely. I took their best player off for half of the game, which I'd been trying to do since the puck dropped anyway.

Do you get all bent out of shape if a guy would give a hard foul in an NBA game to "send a message" in an NBA game because the 2 free throws negatively impact his team?

Yes. In a close game, those two points can be enormously detrimental and can cost your team the game. And if it's not a close game, it can escalate substantially. That's to say nothing of the chance that that player gets ejected and suspended for doing something stupid.

Showing up an opponent is a selfish play. Reacting to jackassery in any way that can be detrimental to the team is even more selfish.

Wooball;859005 wrote:Awful comparison. Now, at most levels, if a guy makes a big play, touchdown or not, and spikes the football it results in a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty. In basketball, if a guy hangs on the rim after a dunk, he gets T'd up. In baseball if a guy slow trots, flips his bat, etc. there is no penalty against his team. Either his own coach takes care of his actions, or eventually an opposing team will.

At the college and pro level, spiking the ball is not 15 yards. High school varies widely in both rule and enforcement.

A player hanging on the rim after a dunk is a technical because the rim and backboard aren't meant to continuously support enormous amounts of weight; it's not a technical if there are players in the vicinity, since dropping down would be a safety risk. Besides that, hanging on the rim has always been dumb in the first place; while you have someone hanging there, the other team can quickly inbound and have a 5-on-4 the other way.

NNN;859021 wrote:
Yes. In a close game, those two points can be enormously detrimental and can cost your team the game. And if it's not a close game, it can escalate substantially. That's to say nothing of the chance that that player gets ejected and suspended for doing something stupid.

Showing up an opponent is a selfish play. Reacting to jackassery in any way that can be detrimental to the team is even more selfish.

If you would have actually read my original post, I said I didn't think throwing at a guy is the right thing to do, but it happens because there is no other way to police other players during the game. Their aren't penalties in baseball for guys being jackasses, and you can't give the cheap shots that you described above to tick them off to make them retaliate in baseball either like you can in other spots.