Wow. You give me those stats (which, btw proved MY point) and say Redick lived behind the 3 PT line????

he took barley over 50% of his shots his Senior year from there (which is the year I highlighted). 55% in the last 2 years...not a whole lot for a 2 guard in NCAA. I can think of a ton of 2 Guards who actually DO live behind the 3 pt line, but he isnt one of them.

I can think of a ton of 2 Guards who actually DO live behind the 3 pt line, but he isnt one of them.

And I can think of a ton of 2 guards who didn't shoot 3's over half the time.Like I said, it depends on your definition.

Redick attempted more 3 pointers(1126) than any other D1 player.

Hb31187;855353 wrote:620 2 pointers are probably 4x as many as Diebler took from 2 in all 4 years combined. There is absolutely no doubt that JJ has a much much much more rounded game than Diebler

This. +1

Prescott;855324 wrote:We all watched Re**** and while he did go to the basket more during his last two years he didn't go there to finish and he didn't go there often He went there to draw fouls, It was very similar to what Diebler did this year.

The stats don't lie . His junior year he took 495 shots. 300 of those shots were 3 pointers. His senior year he took 643 shots. 330 of those shots were 3 pointers.So, he took 1138 shots his last two years at duke.620 were 3 pointers. That means 55% of his shots were behind the arc. I would say that Re**** lived behind the arc.

Thank you for backing my post. I'm to lazy to look up all of the statistics.

And yes, I would consider that living behind the line. So for every lay-up he shot a 3? It would actually be a little more than that on the 3 point end, but yes that's living back there.

Btw, when you're known for your perimeter shooting and teams defend you that way.. it makes it super easy to take one dribble inside the line to blow by a defender rushing out to guard you at the line.

baseball4;855945 wrote:Thank you for backing my post. I'm to lazy to look up all of the statistics.

And yes, I would consider that living behind the line. So for every lay-up he shot a 3? It would actually be a little more than that on the 3 point end, but yes that's living back there.

Btw, when you're known for your perimeter shooting and teams defend you that way.. it makes it super easy to take one dribble inside the line to blow by a defender rushing out to guard you at the line.

Jon Diebler disagrees lol

Hb31187;855946 wrote:Jon Diebler disagrees lol

Well done.

Not sure how people are forgetting how dominant Redikk was in college.

Guys mentioned on this thread:

Kyle Korver (lived behind the line)
145/204 = 71%
221/315 = 70%
184/274 = 67%
269/391 = 69%

Jason Kapono (did not live behind the line)
173/368 = 47%
184/379 = 48.5%
192/370 = 51.9%
161/374 = 43%

JJ Redick (lived behind the line and changed)
238/361 = 66%
258/407 = 63.3%
300/495 = 60%
330/643 = 51.3%

Jon Diebler (REALLY lived behind the line)
166/207 = 80%
231/278 = 83%
276/338 = 81.5%
227/286 = 79.3%

Some others that just popped into my head.

Eric Gordon (did not live behind the line, and you definitely didnt watch him if you think he did)
208/425 = 49%

Salim Stoudamire (didnt live behind the line, though many label him as only a sharpshooter)
161/291 = 55.3%
160/264 = 60%
188/334 = 56%
238/417 = 57%

Gerry McNamara (lived behind the line)
238/364 = 65.3%
270/398 = 69%
315/433 = 72.7%
308/490 = 63%


I just dont think shooting under 60% 3s is living behind the line for a college 2 guard. D0 many go under that, and even under 50%? Sure. But living behind the line is reserved for guys like Korver, Deibler, and McNamara. Redick falls into this category until midway (conference play about) of his JR year when he turned it on and became a complete player).

Laley23;856248 wrote:Guys mentioned on this thread:

Kyle Korver (lived behind the line)
145/204 = 71%
221/315 = 70%
184/274 = 67%
269/391 = 69%

Jason Kapono (did not live behind the line)
173/368 = 47%
184/379 = 48.5%
192/370 = 51.9%
161/374 = 43%

JJ Re**** (lived behind the line and changed)
238/361 = 66%
258/407 = 63.3%
300/495 = 60%
330/643 = 51.3%

Jon Diebler (REALLY lived behind the line)
166/207 = 80%
231/278 = 83%
276/338 = 81.5%
227/286 = 79.3%

Some others that just popped into my head.

Eric Gordon (did not live behind the line, and you definitely didnt watch him if you think he did)
208/425 = 49%

Salim Stoudamire (didnt live behind the line, though many label him as only a sharpshooter)
161/291 = 55.3%
160/264 = 60%
188/334 = 56%
238/417 = 57%

Gerry McNamara (lived behind the line)
238/364 = 65.3%
270/398 = 69%
315/433 = 72.7%
308/490 = 63%


I just dont think shooting under 60% 3s is living behind the line for a college 2 guard. D0 many go under that, and even under 50%? Sure. But living behind the line is reserved for guys like Korver, Deibler, and McNamara. Re**** falls into this category until midway (conference play about) of his JR year when he turned it on and became a complete player).

Great post.

Laley23;856248 wrote:Guys mentioned on this thread:

Kyle Korver (lived behind the line)
145/204 = 71%
221/315 = 70%
184/274 = 67%
269/391 = 69%

Jason Kapono (did not live behind the line)
173/368 = 47%
184/379 = 48.5%
192/370 = 51.9%
161/374 = 43%

JJ Redick (lived behind the line and changed)
238/361 = 66%
258/407 = 63.3%
300/495 = 60%
330/643 = 51.3%

Jon Diebler (REALLY lived behind the line)
166/207 = 80%
231/278 = 83%
276/338 = 81.5%
227/286 = 79.3%

Some others that just popped into my head.

Eric Gordon (did not live behind the line, and you definitely didnt watch him if you think he did)
208/425 = 49%

Salim Stoudamire (didnt live behind the line, though many label him as only a sharpshooter)
161/291 = 55.3%
160/264 = 60%
188/334 = 56%
238/417 = 57%

Gerry McNamara (lived behind the line)
238/364 = 65.3%
270/398 = 69%
315/433 = 72.7%
308/490 = 63%


I just dont think shooting under 60% 3s is living behind the line for a college 2 guard. D0 many go under that, and even under 50%? Sure. But living behind the line is reserved for guys like Korver, Deibler, and McNamara. Redick falls into this category until midway (conference play about) of his JR year when he turned it on and became a complete player).

Reps.

The Redick-Diebler comparison is stupid and only done so because they are both white 2-guards. Redick was Duke's primary scorer and counted on to be the primary focus of their offense. When he got to the NBA, it took him a WHILE to adjust to his new role, a role he's never played before in his basketball career, that of the spot-up deep shooting role player. Diebler has been playing the spot-up deep shooting role player for 4 years now which I believe means (in comparison to Redick) he'll have a much easier time transitioning to this role in the NBA. Nobody is calling the NBA the Big 10 obviously, but to say a 6'6'' guard who is an elite (which I think some people tend to forget) three point shooter and is accustomed to spot up shooting/coming off picks should automatically be ruled out from being on an NBA roster is asinine. Obviously no one can predict the future, but given his abilities, measurables, and the role he will be playing in the NBA....the odds are pointing IN his favor.

If I could shoot 3's and do it enough to get me a nice scholarship...I would.

If I could shoot 3's and do it enough to get me a pro contract...I would.

I could care less where I played ball at, let me play ball!