As per ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/michele-bachmann-exclusive-pray-gay-candidates-clinic/story?id=14048691

I always knew the Republican party was full of lunatics, but this really proves it. There is no way this clinic can straighten out anybody, and especially not through prayer. The whole thing is a fraud. It really scares me that someone who could conceivably become president is making her living through her husband's business this way.

GASP, Christians trying to help someone, and pray for them. What a crime!!

So let me get this straight. The Bachmanns are trolling for gays. They forced them into their clinic. Forced them to pay them a fee then forced them to pray to God and read the Bible and seek forgiveness. This is terrible. The Bachmanns should be arrested.

Bachmann Bashers of Amerika unite!

majorspark;838644 wrote:So let me get this straight. The Bachmanns are trolling for gays. They forced them into their clinic. Forced them to pay them a fee then forced them to pray to God and read the Bible and seek forgiveness. This is terrible. The Bachmanns should be arrested.

thats what my thought was. whats that say about the gays using their service? hmmmmm

majorspark;838644 wrote:So let me get this straight. The Bachmanns are trolling for gays. They forced them into their clinic. Forced them to pay them a fee then forced them to pray to God and read the Bible and seek forgiveness. This is terrible. The Bachmanns should be arrested.

Could have been raping them.

I find this practice stupid (intellectually) but if people feel like they want to try and change their sexual orientation through prayer -- it's a free country.

majorspark;838644 wrote:So let me get this straight. The Bachmanns are trolling for gays. They forced them into their clinic. Forced them to pay them a fee then forced them to pray to God and read the Bible and seek forgiveness. This is terrible. The Bachmanns should be arrested.

Interesting (and related) article on this issue, and well worth the read: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/magazine/therapists-who-help-people-stay-in-the-closet.html

And so it begins...

coyotes22;838635 wrote:GASP, Christians trying to help someone, and pray for them. What a crime!!

Charging them for prayer should be a crime. Any gay who is that distraught over being gay should see a priest, not this quack. But even a priest can't help.

FairwoodKing;839060 wrote:Charging them for prayer should be a crime. Any gay who is that distraught over being gay should see a priest, not this quack.

Volunteering to pay should be a crime, too, then.

My own coming out was very difficult. I discovered what I was when I was 18 years old. From then until I was 30 I did everything in my power to become straight except go to someone for help. I was so inhibited that I was terrified at the thought of telling anyone. When I turned 30 I finally came to the realization that being gay was the natural thing for me and I accepted it. I might also add that I became very angry with religion for putting me in this situation. After I accepted my homosexuality and rejected religion, I felt a great deal better. I am now 63 and am no longer sexually active, but I still consider myself to be gay and I most definitely am an atheist. I only regret that I didn't come out when I was 18. I wasted the best part of my youth because of a religion that doesn't want me.

justincredible;839068 wrote:Volunteering to pay should be a crime, too, then.

Being tricked into paying for a fraud is not a crime.

FairwoodKing;839082 wrote:Being tricked into paying for a fraud is not a crime.

I didn't read the article, but how are they getting tricked? I won't touch the fraud part, because religion isn't my thing but I know plenty of people who are in to it.

FairwoodKing;839081 wrote:My own coming out was very difficult. I discovered what I was when I was 18 years old. From then until I was 30 I did everything in my power to become straight except go to someone for help. I was so inhibited that I was terrified at the thought of telling anyone. When I turned 30 I finally came to the realization that being gay was the natural thing for me and I accepted it. I might also add that I became very angry with religion for putting me in this situation. After I accepted my homosexuality and rejected religion, I felt a great deal better. I am now 63 and am no longer sexually active, but I still consider myself to be gay and I most definitely am an atheist. I only regret that I didn't come out when I was 18. I wasted the best part of my youth because of a religion that doesn't want me.

I know gays who are both openly gay and openly Christian. It can indeed be difficult to be both.

Your propensity to lump all Christians into a stereotypical "bigot group" is no different than some Christians (or any religious group for that matter) who lump all gays into the "sinner group."

The fact that you had negative experiences with religion in relationship to your homosexuality is unfortunate. But let's be clear about this...It is not a prerequisite of Christianity to be heterosexual.

Jesus died on the Cross to bear the burden of everyone's sins.

Jesus was another fraud.

I can give you a quick observation. When deeply religious people come out of the closet in their 20's or 30's, one of two things happens. Either they get really pissed off at the church as I did and give it up completely, or they become more religious than ever and loudly announce to the world that they are both gay and Christian. The split is about fifty-fifty. I know a gay couple who belongs to three churches. I know many other gays who have kept their religion and wear it for all to see. I also know a lot of people like me who have become atheists. I myself believe Christianity is a fraud, but I have many gay friends who feel just the opposite as I do.

FairwoodKing;839096 wrote:Jesus was another fraud.

Whats funny is that if someone came on here and made fun of homosexuality you would call them a bigot. However it is alright for half of your posts to be putting down Christianity ...hypocrisy at its best.

jmog;839119 wrote:Whats funny is that if someone came on here and made fun of homosexuality you would call them a bigot. However it is alright for half of your posts to be putting down Christianity ...hypocrisy at its best.

Homosexuality is a fact. Jesus is a belief. There's a big difference. In my own particular case, being gay has been good for me and believing in Jesus has not.

With respect to the topic at hand. They are a Christian based therapy organisation and they dont hide that. People come there on their own accord and somehow this is a bad thing?

FairwoodKing;839122 wrote:Homosexuality is a fact. Jesus is a belief. There's a big difference. In my own particular case, being gay has been good for me and believing in Jesus has not.

Are you trying to say that Jesus was not a real person?

So if someone said being gay was bad for them they could come on here and bash gays and you would be ok with that?

FairwoodKing;839122 wrote:Homosexuality is a fact. Jesus is a belief. There's a big difference. In my own particular case, being gay has been good for me and believing in Jesus has not.

There's no difference at all. You refuse to see the hypocrisy in labeling Christianity as fraudulent but have no issues with lambasting those who oppose gay rights for example.

For me and millions of others our Christianity is as real as your personal preference for penises. To call us fraudulent is as much an affront to Christians as you disdain some Christians for labeling your homosexuality as sinful.

The hypocrisy with the liberal mindset never fails to amaze me.

I myself believe Christianity is a fraud, but I have many gay friends who feel just the opposite as I do.

Again...if someone said they thought the idea of being born gay is a fraud you would call them either and idiot or a bigot or both...hypocrisy at its finest.

jmog;839140 wrote:Again...if someone said they thought the idea of being born gay is a fraud you would call them either and idiot or a bigot or both...hypocrisy at its finest.

This. I love liberals!

FairwoodKing;839122 wrote:Homosexuality is a fact. Jesus is a belief. There's a big difference. In my own particular case, being gay has been good for me and believing in Jesus has not.

Yes, being a f ag is a fact. And I guess you will see how real Jesus is, when he throws your ass in the lake of fire.