Mr. 300;785007 wrote:Yup....NCAA is about to hit this program with some serious punishment, and rightfully so.

JT ruined what was the premier program in College Football

4cards;785039 wrote: Nobody will ever convince me that Tress didn't fall on his sword and take one to protect OSU and that prick Gene Smith.

enigmaax;785037 wrote:Okay, then my bad on your direct quote. The whole comparison to Carroll, where you make it seem like Tressel took some high road that Carroll didn't - sarcasm? Anyway, my response was also directed at this:

WebFire;785042 wrote:You're a fool if you believe that.

4cards;785039 wrote:RUINED...? You have a pretty short memory my friend. I have (2) words for you....John Cooper! Do you remember those years of being a "premier program in college football" before Jim Tressel. I do and never want to see them ever again!!!

Our program was in the toliet and Tress didn't ruin it...he RESTORED Ohio State football to natinoal promenance.

Nobody will ever convince me that Tress didn't fall on his sword and take one to protect OSU and that prick Gene Smith. Gene Smith has been silent the whole time on this and distancing himself so none of the shit hits him. You don't become and stay as HC of a school like Ohio State without constant communication with the AD & anyone who thinks Gene Smith was't told initially about "the e-mail" concerning Prior and the others acceptaning gifts is out of touch with reality. Gene Smith would have be the 1st person Tress would have gone to with this and IMO is the one who said to keep this thing under wraps until it all finally unraveled

lhslep134;785048 wrote:Why?

Part of me thinks that there's no way Tressel didn't tell his superiors and he's taking the fall so the program doesn't get hit harder than it's going to (meaning if the AD is found to be at fault and not Tressel it's obviously way worse).

Is that my overwhelming belief? No, I think he lied and he is justly out of a job. But being from Youngstown and following Tressel literally my entire life and meeting him several times part of me just has a hard time accepting he lied lol.

sleeper;785053 wrote:The truth is, Tressel never lied. He simply forgot about the numerous allegations he receives daily from random sources. When asked to sign some paperwork, he made the mistake of not carefully reading over the entire document, signed it, and then some reporter did some digging and found a document saying he didn't know about it.

He never came out and said "I do not know about these allegations", like everyone would want you to believe.

WebFire;785056 wrote:Oh, well, in that case, it's all ok. They should give him his job back and the NCAA should pack up and leave.

lhslep134;785063 wrote:Sleeper I don't think we'll ever find out the entire truth one way or another, so let's just stop speculating on it. Fact of the matter is Tressel DID violate 10.1 and now everyone who has done so has found themselves looking for a new job.

4cards;785039 wrote:RUINED...? You have a pretty short memory my friend. I have (2) words for you....John Cooper! Do you remember those years of being a "premier program in college football" before Jim Tressel. I do and never want to see them ever again!!!

Our program was in the toliet and Tress didn't ruin it...he RESTORED Ohio State football to natinoal promenance.

Nobody will ever convince me that Tress didn't fall on his sword and take one to protect OSU and that prick Gene Smith. Gene Smith has been silent the whole time on this and distancing himself so none of the shit hits him. You don't become and stay as HC of a school like Ohio State without constant communication with the AD & anyone who thinks Gene Smith was't told initially about "the e-mail" concerning Prior and the others acceptaning gifts is out of touch with reality. Gene Smith would have be the 1st person Tress would have gone to with this and IMO is the one who said to keep this thing under wraps until it all finally unraveled

sleeper;785068 wrote:I can't speculate but the haters can?

sleeper;785066 wrote:Ah, a bitter Michigan fan. Here's to Luke Fickell being undefeated against Michigan, something Tressel was never good enough to do.

KnightRyder;785073 wrote:actually the program was in the toilet before cooper got there. if cooper could have beaten michigan he still would be the head coach. you seem to forget cooper's buckeyes always seemed to be ranked in the top 3 till he played michigan, and had some of his better players stayed 4 years maybe he would have won some national titles. and dont forget the michigan teams that cooper got be beat by were far better than the michigan teams tressel beat. really beating michigan these days isnt saying too much. but i do agree with your opinion on gene smith. i dont think tressel was stupid enough not to inform smith of this wrong doing. its not like this is tressel's first rodeo. does anyone really think that tressel was arrogant enough to think he was bigger than the school and that he could violate the terms of his contract? right now this is damage control , gee and smith trying to save their own asses and save face for OSU.

4cards;785039 wrote:RUINED...? You have a pretty short memory my friend. I have (2) words for you....John Cooper! Do you remember those years of being a "premier program in college football" before Jim Tressel. I do and never want to see them ever again!!!

Our program was in the toliet and Tress didn't ruin it...he RESTORED Ohio State football to natinoal promenance.

Nobody will ever convince me that Tress didn't fall on his sword and take one to protect OSU and that prick Gene Smith. Gene Smith has been silent the whole time on this and distancing himself so none of the shit hits him. You don't become and stay as HC of a school like Ohio State without constant communication with the AD & anyone who thinks Gene Smith was't told initially about "the e-mail" concerning Prior and the others acceptaning gifts is out of touch with reality. Gene Smith would have be the 1st person Tress would have gone to with this and IMO is the one who said to keep this thing under wraps until it all finally unraveled

But there was in fact SO much more to it behind the scenes.

ptown_trojans_1;785085 wrote:Oh, and 8-4 at best next year.

centralbucksfan;785088 wrote:Agree with your first two paragraphs. Not the third. I myself, admittingly supported and thought Tressel was protecting players/taking the sword for someone else. But the more that came out, that was in fact, NOT the case. He thought he could win a championship, and thought he would not get caught. That is the BOTTOM line. He fucked up big time, over something relatively small when you think about all of this ...freaking tatoos! It wasn't cheating for recruits, he didn't set players up in million dollar homes...it was over stupid ass tatoos! Really mind boggeling when you think about it! Almost comical. What a sad, sad ending....
I truely believe Tressel is a very good man. He has done ten fold great things for OSU and others over this violation. Unfortunately, this is what he will be remembered for, for a long while until the dust settles. Oh well....life goes on, and OSU will survive and be near the top before we know it.

ytownfootball;785099 wrote:Why the hell would anyone think "they'd get away with it" when there was a federal investigation going on? You project stupidity to Tressel if you really feel like he thought he wouldn't get got with that shit storm brewing lol.

Ironman92;785095 wrote:Luke Fickell for the 2011-2012 season.

jordo212000;785105 wrote:If Tress was "falling on the sword" like some of you are saying, I'm sure that that would have come out when everybody and their brother was asking to see all emails pertaining to this situation. Don't you think somebody would have broke the news that there was a massive cover-up?

If there was a cover-up (Tress told Smith), I can assure that Tress wouldn't walk away quietly. Smith also wouldnt force a resignation either. Because Tress could easily bring him down with evidence.

Some of my fellow Buckeye fans need to take off the tin foil hats and think logically.