IggyPride00;1094302 wrote:Bill Clinton was President during one of the best economic expansions this country has ever seen......how did that work for Al Gore?

After 8 years of one party people are just ready for change for the sake of change. Especially with how polarized this country is politically.

I believe that, besides Gore's stiff demeanor, the single biggest factor which worked against him was not using Bill Clinton to campaign vigorously for him. As close as that election was, I really think Clinton could have helped him out. I also think that Gore wanted to distance himself from the Lewinsky mess. He made an epic blunder, though, as Clinton was and still is a master campaigner. Big boo-boo on Al's part there.

QuakerOats;1094584 wrote:George Bush put SS on the table with a good plan to start privatization -- he was crucified by democrats and the liberal media. Paul Ryan put a good plan on the table to begin to address the medicare system; he was crucified by democrats and the liberal media. Until the left truly joins in and accepts the reality that their do-nothing, kick-the-can, spend-n-tax more mentality is dooming us all, then nothing will happen.

And I suspect, that nothing will continue to happen because of the left's inability to deliver bad news and deal with it. Thus, Greece is coming to the States in the not too distant future. Good luck with that.

I don't believe that for one second. Europe is finding out the hard way that austerity is not the solution to their problems. If we follow the advice of the Republicans and their Tea Party supporters by making massive spending cuts we may find ourselves in that situation. Saying we will go the way of Greece is just, IMO, more of the fear talk that folks like you just can't stay away from.

stlouiedipalma;1094647 wrote:I don't believe that for one second. Europe is finding out the hard way that austerity is not the solution to their problems. If we follow the advice of the Republicans and their Tea Party supporters by making massive spending cuts we may find ourselves in that situation.

You mean Greece's situation? Oh the irony . . .

Saying we will go the way of Greece is just, IMO, more of the fear talk that folks like you just can't stay away from

Didn't you just say "If we follow the advice of the Republicans and their Tea Party supporters by making massive spending cuts we may find ourselves in that situation"? Looks like you can't stay away from the fear talk either.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1094423 wrote:Ron Paul supporters are the most obnoxious people I've ever met. I've never seen a group of people worship a man like they do. I can guarantee there will be a Church of Ron Paul started in the near future. You people are ****ing nuts.

McMurphy: (Jack Nicholson) What do you think you are, for Chrissake, crazy or somethin'? Well you're not! You're not! You're no crazier than the average a$$hole out walkin' around on the streets and that's it.

from... One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

jhay78;1093915 wrote:You could tell that place was packed with his people, applauding before he even finished his responses, etc.

Ron Paul doesn't attack Romney at all, even though the two are the farthest apart ideologically of the four candidates. Something smells there.

Paul has ripped Romney plenty...short memory.

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Ton's of enthusiasm for the Willard campaign I see in Michigan.

Whoever thought this would be a good venue for a speech should be fired as the wide shot photo is making its way around twitter and people are laughing at Willard.

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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1094423 wrote:Ron Paul supporters are the most obnoxious people I've ever met. I've never seen a group of people worship a man like they do. I can guarantee there will be a Church of Ron Paul started in the near future. You people are fucking nuts.

So which policy views of his do you disagree with?

Otherwise you're just another joker bitching about people who like Ron Paul because he's the only candidate people are excited about. Have you ever met someone excited about Romney or Gingrich or Frothy?

I heard a tidbit last night and it went something like this: In Ron Paul's 24 years in the House, he has never written/co-authored a piece of legislation that became law.

True?

BGFalcons82;1094826 wrote:I heard a tidbit last night and it went something like this: In Ron Paul's 24 years in the House, he has never written/co-authored a piece of legislation that became law.

True?

Yea, when you actually try to reduce size and power of the federal government, most politicians have a problem with that. He obviously doesnt practice the take one for the team philosophy

pmoney25;1094850 wrote:Yea, when you actually try to reduce size and power of the federal government, most politicians have a problem with that. He obviously doesnt practice the take one for the team philosophy

So...not once in 24 years, was he able to persuade a majority of 535 elected congressmen (that would be 267 people + himself) to agree that his bill, whatever it might be, is the best thing for the country. He has been unable to move ONE piece of legislation through the U.S. Congress in 24 years. Even if he tried just one per year, which would be a pathetic amount for someone elected to represent his district, that would make him 0 for 24. This doesn't even rise to Mario Mendoza-quality.

Now, all the Ronulans are professing that this guy, who has not shown any leadership skills to date in marshalling a majority about anything, wants to be leader of the free world. How will he suddenly be able to build a consensus on any issue when he is O-fer in his 24 years? I hear and read the complaining about Santorum in that he took some for the team instead of sticking to his principles during his Senate stay. Conversely, Dr. Ron has shown no inclination to accomplish anything as a team leader. Which is better to have as a President?

I really like his domestic ideas, but he's shown zero ability to persuade a significant amouth of others to follow his path. In other words, how will he suddenly flip 180 degrees in his leadership style to affect the changes he's campaigning about? The Ronulans show extreme pride in denouncing the other Republican nominees that they would, "be just like Obama". How will Ron the Magnificent be any different since he'd not be able to make any changes whatsoever?

We've heard all about what he would change. The real question is, how will he do it? Merely waving the Constitution on TV is a nice sight, but it doesn't do dick.

BGFalcons82;1094859 wrote:How will Ron the Magnificent be any different since he'd not be able to make any changes whatsoever?-

Um...it's called the veto pen. All unnecessary spending would stop...unless the congress overides him. Isn't that what you want? If you like what you see today, then vote again for Obama or anybody the GOP puts up there. Just don't complain about any national debt or endless, unwinnable wars.

We've heard all about what he would change. The real question is, how will he do it? Merely waving the Constitution on TV is a nice sight, but it doesn't do ****.

Again, if you equate vetoing all unecessary spending bills and vetoing anything that amounts to frivolous banalities, to doing nothing, then by all means, have at it with the status quo...which have led us where we are today.

Footwedge- Let me see if I got this right. Dr. Ronderful will show Americans the light of his policies through his use of the veto pen. While he stands on the street in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue waving his copy of our Constitution, he'll remind us all of what he's against. He apparently will propose nothing, just be against everything.

You expect that the liberal whiners will just sit back and not offer a fight? How'd that gubmint shutdown work out politically the last couple times it was tried? Oh wait...I forgot... The good doctor won't have to endure any opposition. He won't have to lead, just say "no"...right?

It's a fairy tale, footwedge. He has zero clue how to get his agenda approved and put together a winning team because he's NEVER done it before. Hell, y'all sound more like Sotero supporters each and every day.

I'll aks again..how will he be able to do something he's never ever done in 24 years in Congress?

Your logic is superb. Don't vote for the guy with the right ideas. Vote for one of the criminals because they will be able to be able to pass the parts of their agenda that are supported by the other criminals. You convinced me. I will vote for Ricky Santorum because I know he will be able to get his new spending passed in Congress. Or he'll just get offer the left a new entitlement so he can get funding for a new war passed. He's a team player after all. You've got to go along to get along. Money grows on trees anyway you know. Well, as long as you have enough ink too. Just ask Helicopter Ben.

Cleveland Buck;1095079 wrote:Your logic is superb. Don't vote for the guy with the right ideas. Vote for one of the criminals because they will be able to be able to pass the parts of their agenda that are supported by the other criminals. You convinced me. I will vote for Ricky Santorum because I know he will be able to get his new spending passed in Congress. Or he'll just get offer the left a new entitlement so he can get funding for a new war passed. He's a team player after all. You've got to go along to get along. Money grows on trees anyway you know. Well, as long as you have enough ink too. Just ask Helicopter Ben.

Possible record for strawmen in a single post....well done.

jhay78;1094662 wrote:You mean Greece's situation? Oh the irony . . .



Didn't you just say "If we follow the advice of the Republicans and their Tea Party supporters by making massive spending cuts we may find ourselves in that situation"? Looks like you can't stay away from the fear talk either.

The point I'm trying to make is that Europe has made things worse because of the austerity programs, with massive cuts to spending. We haven't done that and, despite Quaker's hopes, we won't wind up like Greece. I don't believe that any of the candidates for President, including the incumbent, will slash spending to that degree.

It's also another way of saying that those who would make massive cuts without raising revenues are friggin' stupid.

IggyPride00;1094731 wrote:Ton's of enthusiasm for the Willard campaign I see in Michigan.

Whoever thought this would be a good venue for a speech should be fired as the wide shot photo is making its way around twitter and people are laughing at Willard.

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According to Brian Williams on the NBC Nightly News, this event was originally planned to be held in the Ford Field Atrium, which is not in the main arena where football games are held. He said that, because of the number of people scheduled to attend, the Secret Service determined that security would be too difficult and ordered them to move it into the main arena. Although all the empty seats makes for good comedy, the truth is that Romney's people weren't responsible for this.

BGFalcons82;1095059 wrote:Footwedge- Let me see if I got this right. Dr. Ronderful will show Americans the light of his policies through his use of the veto pen. While he stands on the street in front of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue waving his copy of our Constitution, he'll remind us all of what he's against. He apparently will propose nothing, just be against everything.

You expect that the liberal whiners will just sit back and not offer a fight? How'd that gubmint shutdown work out politically the last couple times it was tried? Oh wait...I forgot... The good doctor won't have to endure any opposition. He won't have to lead, just say "no"...right?

It's a fairy tale, footwedge. He has zero clue how to get his agenda approved and put together a winning team because he's NEVER done it before. Hell, y'all sound more like Sotero supporters each and every day.

I'll aks again..how will he be able to do something he's never ever done in 24 years in Congress?

I wasn't aware Ron Paul had veto power in congress.

BGFalcons82;1094859 wrote:So...not once in 24 years, was he able to persuade a majority of 535 elected congressmen (that would be 267 people + himself) to agree that his bill, whatever it might be, is the best thing for the country. He has been unable to move ONE piece of legislation through the U.S. Congress in 24 years. Even if he tried just one per year, which would be a pathetic amount for someone elected to represent his district, that would make him 0 for 24. This doesn't even rise to Mario Mendoza-quality.

Now, all the Ronulans are professing that this guy, who has not shown any leadership skills to date in marshalling a majority about anything, wants to be leader of the free world. How will he suddenly be able to build a consensus on any issue when he is O-fer in his 24 years? I hear and read the complaining about Santorum in that he took some for the team instead of sticking to his principles during his Senate stay. Conversely, Dr. Ron has shown no inclination to accomplish anything as a team leader. Which is better to have as a President?

I really like his domestic ideas, but he's shown zero ability to persuade a significant amouth of others to follow his path. In other words, how will he suddenly flip 180 degrees in his leadership style to affect the changes he's campaigning about? The Ronulans show extreme pride in denouncing the other Republican nominees that they would, "be just like Obama". How will Ron the Magnificent be any different since he'd not be able to make any changes whatsoever?

We've heard all about what he would change. The real question is, how will he do it? Merely waving the Constitution on TV is a nice sight, but it doesn't do dick.

The office of president grants you quite a bit more power than a congressman in case you didn't know.

Saying Santorum "took some for the team" has to be a deliberate attempt to make him voting for and standing for shitty policies look nicer.

What a fucking circus the Republicans have become.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/abstinence-only-sex-educa_n_1297238.html

Good job Republicans.

"actually went to France a year or so ago and was with Nicolas Sarkozy and said that, 'Here I am with the French Prime Minister, our best ally in the world.' Now think about this. Name one time in the last 20 years that the French stood by us with anything. But in Barack Obama's eyes, that makes them our best ally, because they fought what was in the best interest of our country." - Santorum

Dude is fucking delusional. Tell the 80 some French troops that died fighting with us in Afghanistan that they haven't stood by us. What an asshole.

stlouiedipalma;1095179 wrote:What a fucking circus the Republicans have become.

Yeah, and the Democrats aren't clowns?

stlouiedipalma;1095179 wrote:What a fucking circus the Republicans have become.

Washington has been a circus for quite some time. It's a shame you are blind to the other half. Watching C-Span is like watching the circus clowns perform.

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They're all fucking assholes.

Santorum's bubble burst at the debate the other night. He was exposed and is getting ready to drop like a rock in the polls.