Manhattan Buckeye;750348 wrote:I don't get the tolerance for corruption, and particularly don't get the hypocrisy.

If this happened at LSU or Arkansas, there would be 20 threads about how the coach is dirty, the program should hang, the wins should be vacated, etc.

It is unfortunate what happened, no need to dwell on it but there is a need to look forward. Tressel was an unbelievable coach and served the program well. But there are consequences to actions, the consequence in this case is at best what the NCAA has already dealt, at worse....well, it can be a lot worse. But there is no rationalization about this, there were violations.

Yep.

SportsAndLady;750109 wrote:Why can't the program put this behind them with Tressel still the coach?

He didn't rob an old lady...he made a mistake. No need to fire the guy, or want him fired.

He didnt "make a mistake". A mistake is marking the wrong box on a form by accident. A mistake is pushing record on the VHS when you have a home movie in rather than a blank tape.

He lied.

He put the integrity of the university in jeopardy. He puts wins and star players ahead of the integrity of the program. Throughout the course of his career at OSU there have been countless numbers of back up players dismissed from the team for getting in a fight at a bar or something else that is NOT an NCAA violation. Just things that are embarrassing for the program. But he has shown from very early on that starters and key players are above the law (see Steve Bellisarri, Maurice Clarett, and Troy Smith). Now, the core of his offense has NCAA violations and he ignores, lies, and then covers up the situation. That is dirty.

The OSU fans who are saying that this is just the media picking on OSU are blind. A cover up of NCAA violations by a coach is about as serious of a story as you can get. Are there other coaches doing this? Sure. But until someone catches them, it wont be a story. Once they get caught, you can bet it will be all over. I can remember the Bruce Pearl stuff being all over the media and to be honest, he is a no-name compared to Tressell.

There is a good article on espn.com right now by Pat Forde about how OSU should handle this and why.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6425516

No...Forde is wrong. OSU and Tressel can survive this. I am not saying they will, but they absolutely can get by this and grow from it. I am of the belief that he made this mess and a real man cleans up after himself.






Meanwhile, Auburn is loving the attention being somewhere else.

Any idea's of who player G may be????

cbus4life;750093 wrote:As much as i love Tress...

He screwed up, big time, and should resign right away, IMO. Nothing else to be done, really. Can't salvage anything, at this point. Best for all parties involved if he just leaves, let the program move on and try to put this behind them.

along these lines, JT may have to resign for his health as well, since the stress that all this has placed on him and his family has to be unbelievable--you can tell just by looking at him

He brought on the stress himself.

I really don't understand the apologists. Him not reporting the violations is one thing, but what is more significant is him lying to the NCAA and then lying to the general public in his presser. It's just insulting that he thought we would buy into whatever line of BS he spewed without anyone questioning it.

vball10set;750400 wrote:along these lines, JT may have to resign for his health as well, since the stress that all this has placed on him and his family has to be unbelievable--you can tell just by looking at him

He is the head coach at Ohio State. Stress is a reality if the job.

Dickie V was on Mike and Mike this morning saying Tressel shouldn't be fired, he had an interesting view. I think the moment harm is brought to OSU by Tressel being there (such as losing scholarships, losing bowl games etc.) he should leave. I think he will leave if it comes to that point. Nothing will happen if it does until after the 2011 season, so there is no point in speculating until then.

I understand that stress is inherent to the job, and that he brought most of this on himself--but the fact is it's still there, and it can take a physical toll as much as an emotional one. I'm just saying that this may be a factor in what the future holds for Coach Tressel.

As many of you know, PR and communications are strong in my professional background.

That's why I'll be very surprised if Tressel doesn't resign.

Why?

Because the media is head-hunting and they aren't going to be happy until he's gone.

Tressel became a target of the media very early on because of two things: (1) he's not very open about his team, practices, etc., and he's very good at dodging questions he doesn't want to answer. They hate that. Also (2) he has written several books about character, doing the right thing, etc., which are all admirable goals. The media doesn't see it that way, however, and think of him as being arrogant and self-righteous.

They've wanted to bring him down for some time -- and he not only opened the door, he blew the damn thing off its hinges.

With blood now in the water, they won't be happy until he gets axed or steps aside, and you'll continue to see the nasty columns that have been dominating since this all came about.

Think about it: have you seen this many columns calling for a college football coach's head EVER in the past 5 years or more? I can't recall any.

Even when USC was facing FAR more egregious violations in both its basketball and football programs, you didn't see the constant string of columns and radio hosts calling for Petey to be fired. Of course, when most of that was FINALLY put into a letter to USC, he was already packing his bags to flee to Seattle.

We now know that the earliest anything will happen with the NCAA is August, and it likely won't even be for a few months after that, depending on possible appeals.

I don't see OSU's bigwigs...the big money folks who pull most of the strings behind the scenes...putting up with a constant onslaught of bad PR between now and then. And it WILL continue, because these guys want Tressel GONE and they won't be happy until he is. As such, I see him finally being pressured into resigning to prevent continued damage to the school's reputation.

Right or wrong (I think he's being unfairly targeted) I think his career at OSU is going to end sometime this year.

Writerbuckeye;750419 wrote:As many of you know, PR and communications are strong in my professional background.

That's why I'll be very surprised if Tressel doesn't resign.

Why?

Because the media is head-hunting and they aren't going to be happy until he's gone.

Tressel became a target of the media very early on because of two things: (1) he's not very open about his team, practices, etc., and he's very good at dodging questions he doesn't want to answer. They hate that. Also (2) he has written several books about character, doing the right thing, etc., which are all admirable goals. The media doesn't see it that way, however, and think of him as being arrogant and self-righteous.

They've wanted to bring him down for some time -- and he not only opened the door, he blew the damn thing off its hinges.

With blood now in the water, they won't be happy until he gets axed or steps aside, and you'll continue to see the nasty columns that have been dominating since this all came about.

Think about it: have you seen this many columns calling for a college football coach's head EVER in the past 5 years or more? I can't recall any.

Even when USC was facing FAR more egregious violations in both its basketball and football programs, you didn't see the constant string of columns and radio hosts calling for Petey to be fired. Of course, when most of that was FINALLY put into a letter to USC, he was already packing his bags to flee to Seattle.

We now know that the earliest anything will happen with the NCAA is August, and it likely won't even be for a few months after that, depending on possible appeals.

I don't see OSU's bigwigs...the big money folks who pull most of the strings behind the scenes...putting up with a constant onslaught of bad PR between now and then. And it WILL continue, because these guys want Tressel GONE and they won't be happy until he is. As such, I see him finally being pressured into resigning to prevent continued damage to the school's reputation.

Right or wrong (I think he's being unfairly targeted) I think his career at OSU is going to end sometime this year.

If OSU fires Tressel because of media pressure I'll be ticked. I'm not happy with him but I weigh his entire body of work, and to me this doesn't override all of that.

I don't remember them all, but I recall a few in the coaching profession who spoke up in defense of Tressel recently:

1) Earle Bruce- OK, former OSU coach and Buckeye homer, but he made the point that the NCAA is a joke and that they enforce things at times to give the appearance that they're a governing body who's got it all under control- not that they care about integrity.

2) Rich Rodriguez- said the NCAA should be looking at the schools who don't self-report, not those who do.

3) Barry Switzer- compared the Tressel stuff to "jaywalking", compared to other stuff that goes on.

Yeah, maybe these guys as former coaches don't hold the same credibility, but I value their opinions over ANYONE in the media and Pat Forde-types.

"3) Barry Switzer- compared the Tressel stuff to "jaywalking", compared to other stuff that goes on."

LOL! Switzer was the worst of the 80's CFB cheats. He nearly killed Okie's program.

At some point reality has to come to the surface. Ohio State paid its players (in one way or the other), it depends on how much Tressel knew about it. His record is enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, but facts trump doubt.

ksig489;750394 wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6425516

Although this article isn't really guilty of this, I'm tired of the media comparing the Tressel situation to the Bruce Pearl situation.

1. Bruce Pearl committed the initial violation(albeit a minor violation), lied about it, and tried to get the players to lie about it as well. It was a lot more black and white in that sense.

2. Pearl continued to make questionable decisions and commit violations while the investigation was ongoing.

3. His team underachieved after being #7 in the country and got smoked in the NCAA tournament.

4. The University of Tennessee (specifically related to the Kiffin debacle) has a number of major NCAA issues to contend with.

5. Football is king at UT, exactly like OSU. A coach in the 2nd(or 3rd at UT) most popular sport is more expendable than the coach in the most popular sport at a given school.

Manhattan Buckeye;750426 wrote: At some point reality has to come to the surface. Ohio State paid its players (in one way or the other), it depends on how much Tressel knew about it. His record is enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, but facts trump doubt.

there's plenty to discuss with the case and the facts we have available--where is this coming from?

Manhattan Buckeye;750348 wrote:I don't get the tolerance for corruption, and particularly don't get the hypocrisy.

If this happened at LSU or Arkansas, there would be 20 threads about how the coach is dirty, the program should hang, the wins should be vacated, etc.

It is unfortunate what happened, no need to dwell on it but there is a need to look forward. Tressel was an unbelievable coach and served the program well. But there are consequences to actions, the consequence in this case is at best what the NCAA has already dealt, at worse....well, it can be a lot worse. But there is no rationalization about this, there were violations.

You won't see criticisms from me. Go on any thread where there have been NCAA violations by an SEC or any other school in the country; you won't see me on there blasting these programs for "lack of integrity" It's dumb, you have to have a little lack of integrity to succeed in a big money business. Count me in as one of the guys who think this kind of stuff goes on everywhere, it's what college football has now become. Hell, the freakin Heisman winner is blatantly guilty of receiving $180,000, yet everyone is turning a blind eye to that. "Well, he probably did receive money...but, so are a lot of players so we'll just kind of put that in our back pocket for now."

Why can't the "consequences of action" be losses of scholarships? A post season ban? Why does one man's errors mean he should be fired? Slap him on the wrist, and get back to business. There's simply no benefit to firing him, other than to please some of the old-timer fans who think that OSU being caught for violations is a sin punishable by death. AKA, the people who can't recognize the change in college football and what it has now become.

vball10set;750440 wrote: there's plenty to discuss with the case and the facts we have available--where is this coming from?

They took money for their goods, they were paid. It isn't any different than Joe Bob Billy Redneck in Baton Rouge giving LSU players money for their jock straps.

Look, I haven't crowed about this (because I hate the situation) but I've been 100% right about the whole thing since it started. The only thing saving Pryor and company is that they paid it back. So good for them, but if the coaches knew about it and covered it up - we're talking about vacating the entire season.

Manhattan Buckeye;750460 wrote:They took money for their goods, they were paid. It isn't any different than Joe Bob Billy Redneck in Baton Rouge giving LSU players money for their jock straps.

Look, I haven't crowed about this (because I hate the situation) but I've been 100% right about the whole thing since it started. The only thing saving Pryor and company is that they paid it back. So good for them, but if the coaches knew about it and covered it up - we're talking about vacating the entire season.

LMAO--it's not even worth arguing with you about this...next?

SportsAndLady;750441 wrote:
Why can't the "consequences of action" be losses of scholarships? A post season ban? Why does one man's errors mean he should be fired? Slap him on the wrist, and get back to business. There's simply no benefit to firing him, other than to please some of the old-timer fans who think that OSU being caught for violations is a sin punishable by death. AKA, the people who can't recognize the change in college football and what it has now become.

If you break a major rule at your job will they slap you on the wrist and move on or will you get fired?

ksig489;750504 wrote:If you brake a major rule at your job will they slap you on the wrist and move on or will you get fired?

That depends on the rule. Is this really a major rule?

FatHobbit;750506 wrote:That depends on the rule. Is this really a major rule?

Lying to the NCAA about violations and playing ineligible players? Do you really have to ask that question?


Is it now 13 out of 13 coaches who have violated the same rule that have been fired or resigned? How can people still be saying this isn't a big deal?

FatHobbit;750506 wrote:That depends on the rule. Is this really a major rule?

Considering the possible punishment I would say yes.

karen lotz;750507 wrote:Lying to the NCAA about violations and playing ineligible players? Do you really have to ask that question?


Is it now 13 out of 13 coaches who have violated the same rule that have been fired or resigned? How can people still be saying this isn't a big deal?

not that it makes a big difference, but I thought they said 12 out of 13, with the lone survivor being a "she"...any idea who this is?

vball10set;750511 wrote:not that it makes a big difference, but I thought they said 12 out of 13, with the lone survivor being a "she"...any idea who this is?

Yeah I have heard that too, I've also seen where it was 12 out of 13 and the 13th was Bruce Pearl, which has since been fired. If it is a she, I have no clue who it is.


Did a quick search and I'm seeing things from before Pearl was fired saying it was 11 out of 12, but the point remains.

I think if Tressel just comes out and says "I take full responsibility for this" then he should be able to keep his job. I don't know, call it a "collective messup". That's how it works at Notre Dame.

sleeper;750528 wrote:I think if Tressel just comes out and says "I take full responsibility for this" then he should be able to keep his job. I don't know, call it a "collective messup". That's how it works at Notre Dame.

Indeed.