I wonder who got the 2003 Tahoe?

Than what was disclosed to the ncaa or to the media?

georgemc80;752792 wrote:I am willing to lay odds that JT will not be fired or forced to resign. If he does, I surmise an amazing buyout amount being given to him. They could fire him with cause, but I truly believe he is the fall guy. I really think this goes much much much deeper than a football coach. (Read: Board of Regents)

Not necessarily.

ksig489;752650 wrote:The big problem is that most OSU fans dont care about what Tressell has done, they just want to win.

Winning games is sort of the overriding goal of football.

As an OSU fan, why would I care about anything else? People can think whatever they want about the program. It doesn't impact anything on the field, which coincidentally is where the games are actually played.

Now, if this does negatively impact the program and Tressel starts losing games, then he should be fired, because then he is no longer doing his job. But I don't see that happening.

Tobias Fünke;752030 wrote:You're acting like every other player Jim Tressel can recruit is athletically challenged. Pryor is an incorrigible piece of shit; if you went to school at Ohio State you would hear a new story weekly.

But again, this isn't even about Pryor. This is Jim Tressel thinking to himself:

"Well, I know Pryor and Posey should be reported to the proper authorities so we can get our slap on the wrist for something minor that they did their freshmen year. But, we are #1, and we shouldn't lose a game unless we give it away....and how will recruiting go from here on out if recruits don't think I have their back? I'm the closest I've been to a title and years and recruiting will suffer. Let's not report this."

That, in my opinion, is a serious violation and Ohio State would gain points in my eyes if they had him resign to a position in the athletic department and hired someone else to run the program. That's all people like myself and Herbstreit want.

That's basically what I've come to in my head as well. There's a reason most Ohio State fans look down on the SEC because of everything that seems to be going on. I don't ever want Ohio State to be compared to the SEC and if we keep a coach who knowingly violated NCAA rules and lied about it then I feel like our standards have went out the window. Jim Tressel as a person has my full support and honestly I feel like he has been a great role model to many people and has done many great deeds, and I don't want to throw all of that way because he had a huge lapse in judgement, but he should not be the head football coach anymore IMO.

ksig489;752650 wrote:I think the "should Tressell be fired or not" decision by an OSU fan should be answered the following way:

Am I a Tressell fan first or an OSU fan first?

If I am a Tressell fan, then keep him because he is my favorite.

If I am an OSU fan, then I need to realize that this man has brought a ton of negativity to my beloved school and has potentially caused a great deal of harm to the football program and the athletic department. He has knowingly and willingly destroyed any integrity and respect OSU has and honestly didnt seem remorseful as he was caught in lie after lie. Regardless of what he has done for us in the past, he will carry an eternal black cloud over our program that will only go away when he does.




The big problem is that most OSU fans dont care about what Tressell has done, they just want to win.

The realization should be that OSU will have their pick of top coaches when he is gone and will still be able to recruit the upper echelon kids. They will have no problem winning double digit games a year and maybe, just maybe will be able to win that one game a year that kills their chances at the title with a new coach who isnt too conservative to win the big one.

I'm an OSU fan and that's why I believe it's time for him to go. The stories, the speculation, the snickering, none of that is going to go away no matter what happens. You can blame the players all you want but this became Tressel's doing the minute he passed on sharing the information with Smith or Gee. I really liked what JT brought to the program when he was hired but he f***ed up and now he has to pay the price.

As for having their pick of top coaches, that may depend on how much damage the "top coaches" want to deal with. If I recall, when Cooper was fired the choices came down to Tressel and Mason, not exactly two guys in the upper echelon of NCAA football.

stlouiedipalma;753159 wrote: As for having their pick of top coaches, that may depend on how much damage the "top coaches" want to deal with. If I recall, when Cooper was fired the choices came down to Tressel and Mason, not exactly two guys in the upper echelon of NCAA football.

Yeah, after the last few years of major programs hires I've realized that there is no "top job" in college football that either 1) everyone wants or 2) there are lines of sure-fire successes.

There are a handful of coaches who most would consider to have sustained, elite-level success and OSU would be losing one of them. Who is in that group? Stoops, Brown...maybe Saban? Stoops with his Ohio connection would probably be mentioned, but none of those guys is going to get much more out of OSU than what they already have going for them.

Then you've got the guys who had that success for either a shorter term or who already bolted (Carroll, Meyer, maybe Miles?). Obviously Meyer's name would continue to swirl, but even he'd be a risk with the drama and mixed results he encountered at Florida.

Then you could go for an NFL guy. Is there a single example of that formula working?

And that leaves you with successful, but unproven assistants and up-and-comers who succeeded at lower levels.

Any school is going to face risks when it comes to hiring a head coach these days and the better off your program has been in the last decade or so, the tougher it is probably going to be to maintain that level of success if you have to go looking.

enigmaax;753176 wrote:Yeah, after the last few years of major programs hires I've realized that there is no "top job" in college football that either 1) everyone wants or 2) there are lines of sure-fire successes.

There are a handful of coaches who most would consider to have sustained, elite-level success and OSU would be losing one of them. Who is in that group? Stoops, Brown...maybe Saban? Stoops with his Ohio connection would probably be mentioned, but none of those guys is going to get much more out of OSU than what they already have going for them.

Then you've got the guys who had that success for either a shorter term or who already bolted (Carroll, Meyer, maybe Miles?). Obviously Meyer's name would continue to swirl, but even he'd be a risk with the drama and mixed results he encountered at Florida.

Then you could go for an NFL guy. Is there a single example of that formula working?

And that leaves you with successful, but unproven assistants and up-and-comers who succeeded at lower levels.

Any school is going to face risks when it comes to hiring a head coach these days and the better off your program has been in the last decade or so, the tougher it is probably going to be to maintain that level of success if you have to go looking.

OSU hit a home run with Tressel. I think it would hard to get such a good "lower rank" coach like that again.

Really not trying to keep piling on, but I think the support of Tressel from his superiors is key to the ultimate resolution. And now Jim Delaney has thrown out some comments about how they'd have approached the situation differently had they known what Tressel did. I still think it isn't such a sure thing that the Sugar Bowl win is going to stand outside of anything else.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6444453

enigmaax;753212 wrote:Really not trying to keep piling on, but I think the support of Tressel from his superiors is key to the ultimate resolution. And now Jim Delaney has thrown out some comments about how they'd have approached the situation differently had they known what Tressel did. I still think it isn't such a sure thing that the Sugar Bowl win is going to stand outside of anything else.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6444453

I haven't commented yet on the certainty that some here have about the Bowl game standing because it was already ruled on .The problem is the bowl "eligibility" was ruled on not knowing the entire situation. If they do have to vacate the season, I don't get why the bowl would not be. They made it to the bowl game on vacated wins. Doesn't really make sense.