jordo212000;749438 wrote:I'm not happy with TP, Posey, Herron, et al. and I am not happy with Tress either. Y-town has a point, if these guys don't go out hawking their uniforms and memoribila to a drug dealer, then Tress has nothing to lie about. This whole group probably just short circuited our program for the next 5 years.

Y-Town Steelhound;749441 wrote:Thank you. What LJ doesn't understand is that I do believe Tressel is to blame for his actions. But you cannot argue that had the players not done what they did, Tressel would never had been put in the position to make the wrong decision. Doesn't mean I blame the players for Tressel's failures, but their actions put him in the position to make the wrong decision.

Y-Town Steelhound;749449 wrote:Well then my bad for not typing out "Pryor put Tressel in a position in which he made a decision which possibly cost him his job"

LJ;749453 wrote:So then, like I said, what you said was wrong.

jordo212000;749438 wrote:I'm not happy with TP, Posey, Herron, et al. and I am not happy with Tress either. Y-town has a point, if these guys don't go out hawking their uniforms and memoribila to a drug dealer, then Tress has nothing to lie about. This whole group probably just short circuited our program for the next 5 years.

I still wish we would have gotten rid of everybody involved. Cut ties and move on. The NCAA would/will take it easier on us.

LJ;749442 wrote:No one denied that. The problem is, that still has nothing to do with the fact that Tressel made the decision himself. The blame is solely on him. You can't pass the blame for one's actions. The players did what they did, but that is where it ends. At that point, Tressel made the decision to do the wrong thing. Them doing what they did does not excuse Tressel from what he did, nor does it pass the blame to the players. It's not TP's fault that Tressel decided to cover it up.

jhay78;749459 wrote:But I can't get over the fact that he still kept the emails to himself, even after considering the consequences. Was keeping 5 guys on the field for what would've been 4 games really worth the crap that's being thrown at OSU now? Makes no sense.

vball10set;749471 wrote:IMO, he didn't, and eventually that will come out...unfortunately it will only help to vindicate Tressel, NOT The OSU-- it will only make matters worse for them.

vball10set;749471 wrote:IMO, he didn't, and eventually that will come out...unfortunately it will only help to vindicate Tressel, NOT The OSU-- it will only make matters worse for them.

OneBuckeye;749472 wrote:The dispatch got all email/phone records from Gee Smith and Tressel and found nothing. What more do you want?

dat dude;749456 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/25874/ncaa-notice-bad-for-vest-maybe-not-osu

Pretty good article.

The OSU athletic program needs to distance itself from Tressel, imo. Cut ties now and move forward. Preempt the NCAA from hammering the program.

ksig489;749478 wrote:No...but he has been given this "Saint Tressell" like moniker that he has NEVER deserved or even earned.

jhay78;749459 wrote:I wonder if the NCAA gives any consideration to the fact that OSU came forward with Tressel's emails, and not that they discovered them via another source? OSU as an institution has been completely forthcoming at every step of this, it's just that their coach wasn't. And after that press conference back in March, I can't believe Gene Smith and/or Gordon Gee are ready to get rid of JT now. And I can't see him stepping down on his own in disgrace either.

nwofbfan;749486 wrote:My question is, why do they have to wait until August to rule on this issue? Why not now?

OneBuckeye;749317 wrote:Only for the sugar bowl. Most likely case is NCAA comes down hard on Tressel and takes away all 2010 wins except for Sugar Bowl. There is potential for loss of scholarships but loss of post season games is unlikely since Tressel was the only one with knowlege.

dokken;749494 wrote:So if they have to forfeit the Sugar Bowl it will all go back to OSU being winless in bowls against SEC competition.

enigmaax;749493 wrote:I don't remember if it was posted on here or not, but I glanced at some article last week that seemed to imply that Smith expressed some more openly negative feelings about the cost of the investigation, especially as it related to Tressel. Now with an official hearing lined up with the NCAA and the potential for more serious penalties, could it be that Tressel is losing favor from Smith (and Gee and whoever else)?

jhay78;749502 wrote:That's what I'm wondering. I haven't really see anything new since the March presser, when Smith and Gee were gushing praise on JT. And I don't think the NCAA can fire a school's coach, or force a school to fire their coach, or can they?