eersandbeers wrote: WVU was going against a 5-7 awful Pitt team and it was not really necessary to play Pat. We, along with everyone else, assumed Dick Rod could handle the play calling to beat Pitt. We were all wrong. Resting him for the national championship seemed like the smart move.

He was playing for a national title and the team scored 9 points in the game. It was always necessary for him to play and for whatever reason he didn't. You said "He would not have come out of the game." He did.

Besides your statement on that one being complete nonsense, let's hear the excuse for South Florida the same year. Two undefeated teams early in the season. Lot to play for. Why'd he come out of that one?

enigmaax wrote:

eersandbeers wrote: WVU was going against a 5-7 awful Pitt team and it was not really necessary to play Pat. We, along with everyone else, assumed Dick Rod could handle the play calling to beat Pitt. We were all wrong. Resting him for the national championship seemed like the smart move.

He was playing for a national title and the team scored 9 points in the game. It was always necessary for him to play and for whatever reason he didn't. You said "He would not have come out of the game." He did.

Besides your statement on that one being complete nonsense, let's hear the excuse for South Florida the same year. Two undefeated teams early in the season. Lot to play for. Why'd he come out of that one?

Pat had the trainers wrap his hand and returned to the game halfway through the 4th when he realized the team needed him. So you appear to have a completely inaccurate analysis of the game.

Resting your semi-injured starter in a game that seems like an easy win is common sense. It is not even close to the same thing as playing in the national championship.

Pat was begging Dick Rod to go back into the USF game and he wouldn't let him. So it was hardly Pat holding himself out. Perhaps you should rewatch the game.

enigmaax wrote:

Non wrote: Texas came out throwing because they felt disrespected after Alabama scored a classless touchdown.

The fans boo'd. Mack Brown inside was probably saying "you SOB" and then Texas had the urge to try and score again.

When it was 31-21 and 47 seconds left, both coaches should've been thinking it's been a good, well-respected game and it ends here. Mack Brown was thinking that way. Saban should have been, too.

Texas 51 Kansas 20
4th-and-9 from the Kansas 13, 2:20 to go, Mack Brown goes for it
Texas 47 Baylor 14
5:18 left, Texas passes on 2 of 3 downs before punting
Texas 41 Missouri 7
4th-and-4, 0:32 left from the Missouri 27, Mack Brown goes for it

You could take a look at how many times Mack Brown kneeled the ball in the 4th quarter this season. Or how many passes he called in the 4th quarter of blowouts. I'm pretty sure he knows it is a 60-minute game and wasn't pissed off about playing the whole thing out.

So on the two 4th downs in FG territory, what do you want him to do instead of going for it? Did they get the first down either time? In my opinion all the other options are worse:

1) kick the FG - running up the score
2) punt - humiliating to the opponent that close to the goal
3) take a knee - with that amount of time left is humiliating to the opponent also

You said, "HE WOULD NOT COME OUT". He DID come out. Both games. He didn't play when his team needed him. Sometimes, it isn't your decision. You called out Colt McCoy for not being in the game and your example of a real tough guy sat out perhaps the two most important games of his career (maybe the "P" wasn't for "Pat"). So, bad example.

You think that Colt McCoy pansied out of this game. Why would he do that?

I'm sorry, I was watching that WVU-Pitt game and couldn't believe White wasn't going back in with what was on the line. It was clearly obvious they needed him to go back in as Pitt was playing great, and it just shocked me what what seemed to be an injury he could play with he wasn't going back out there until it seemed like it was absolutely necessary. That's why both myself and enigmaax are not agreeing with your statement that White would not come out of a game like that.

enigmaax wrote: You said, "HE WOULD NOT COME OUT". He DID come out. Both games. He didn't play when his team needed him. Sometimes, it isn't your decision. You called out Colt McCoy for not being in the game and your example of a real tough guy sat out perhaps the two most important games of his career (maybe the "P" wasn't for "Pat"). So, bad example.

You think that Colt McCoy pansied out of this game. Why would he do that?

True, I don't know if it was Colt's decision. However, I can't see Mack saying "Colt, this is the national title, you shouldn't go back in the game."

Actually he did play when his team needed him. As I just said, he returned to the game when Dick Rod allowed him to despite the injury. Including the at least 10 other games he played while injured.

So just admit that you really had no clue what you were talking about, and then had to try to salvage your argument. There is nothing wrong with that. But if you didn't actually watch or remember the games, you probably shouldn't have commented on them.

Terry_Tate wrote: I'm sorry, I was watching that WVU-Pitt game and couldn't believe White wasn't going back in with what was on the line. It was clearly obvious they needed him to go back in as Pitt was playing great, and it just shocked me what what seemed to be an injury he could play with he wasn't going back out there until it seemed like it was absolutely necessary. That's why both myself and enigmaax are not agreeing with your statement that White would not come out of a game like that.

JB had shown he was a good backup a year earlier against Rutgers when he won the game in double OT for WVU. So there was really no worries about him coming in against Pitt.

As I just said, Pat had the trainers wrap his hand, and went back in when Dick Rod let him. It was not his decision to sit out of the game.

Also as I've said, going against a 5-7 team that you should dominate is not really the same as playing for the national title. When Dick Rod realized he needed Pat, he allowed him back in the game.

Oh I watched them and pretty much commented the whole time about how White was being a pansy. Let his team down. Set himself up to be a hero by coming back at the last moment, only he didn't deliver. Because his non-throwing thumb was hurt. Not sure where I was wrong - you said Pat White would not have come out of the game even though he did it twice. Then you decided that those games either weren't important enough or then it wasn't his fault. I didn't change my tune once.

And the limping around for ten games? I guess that means he's tough.....or that he can't just suck it up and play.

mhs95_06 wrote:

Footwedge wrote:

ts1227 wrote: With 0:45 left, if some stupid shit happens it is completely feasable (though unlikely) for that gap to be closed. Freak fumble returned, then an onside leading to a FG (using the timeout to help) and we're in OT.

You don't pack it in on a 10 point lead if they have any timeouts.

Dude...apparently you can't add either. You kneel on the ball 3 times when the ball was first and goal at the 5 with 1 minute left. Texas had only one TO. He ran up the score....plain and simple. Saban is a dick for doing so.

I can't stand poor sportsmanship.

Is it poor sportsmanship to do what the opponent would rather you do? I'm sure that the Texas team would have rather had them try to run it for a TD, rather than be helpless with them taking a couple knees. That way they would have a chance to knock the ball loose and return it, rather than be helpless with taking knees. I would call it more of a poor strategical decision by Saban than poor sportsmanship!

I doubt Texas wanted them to punch it in. The point is....they were up 10 points....a minute to play...and Texas had only one TO left. The right thing to do is kneel on the ball twice. There is no way Texas even calls a TO at that point...in that it was fruitless.

Saban ran up the score for no reason...other than to perhaps silence the critics for him being so conservative in the second half.

I don't like coaches that pull that crap.

enigmaax wrote: Oh I watched them and pretty much commented the whole time about how White was being a pansy. Let his team down. Set himself up to be a hero by coming back at the last moment, only he didn't deliver. Because his non-throwing thumb was hurt. Not sure where I was wrong - you said Pat White would not have come out of the game even though he did it twice. Then you decided that those games either weren't important enough or then it wasn't his fault. I didn't change my tune once.

And the limping around for ten games? I guess that means he's tough.....or that he can't just suck it up and play.

Your memory must be lacking them if you don't remember Pat trying to get back into the USF game.

When I said he would not have come out of the game the obviuos inference was the national championship game. I don't think the meaning of my post was obscured by any vague reference.

Also, he didn't "set himself up to be a hero." I'm quite sure he doesn't determine when he leaves and comes into a game. Otherwise, he would have never left. That is quite apparent from his career.

I didn't change anything. I'm correcting your inaccurate analysis from lack of knowledge surrounding those situations in which you are trying to present.

Now if you want to talk about Slaton then your claim would be correct.

Mack Brown said after the game it never came to him asking. He could tell McCoy was out from the doctors at halftime.

ts1227 wrote: For as much as you all hate on Tressel for overly conservative calls in situations that make no fucking sense, it's amazing how you all pull a 180 when it's someone else's team.

Either way, it's not worth arguing any more. I can't fix stupid.

Apples and oranges and you know it. Stupid is not knowing that 3 kneeldowns is the classy way to finish a hard played game.

enigmaax wrote:

Non wrote: They're not going to fumble the kneel down play.

Texas probably wouldn't have even called a timeout. They knew the situation and were ready to shake hands.

That was easily a situation you don't score again. Class 101.

Is that why they came out throwing on their next possession?

All the more reason to kneel on the damn ball. That way, Texas never gets it again.

Non wrote: Texas came out throwing because they felt disrespected after Alabama scored a classless touchdown.

The fans boo'd. Mack Brown inside was probably saying "you SOB" and then Texas had the urge to try and score again.

When it was 31-21 and 47 seconds left, both coaches should've been thinking it's been a good, well-respected game and it ends here. Mack Brown was thinking that way. Saban should have been, too.

Exacatly. Why people don't understand this on this thread is remarkable.

Major four conferences BCS NC game records:

SEC..... 6-0 (Tenn, LSU, Fla, Ala)
PAC 10 1-1 (USC)
Big Ten 1-2 (Ohio State)
Big 12.. 2-5 (OK, Tex, Neb)

mhs95_06 wrote: Major four conferences BCS NC game records:

SEC..... 6-0 (Tenn, LSU, Fla, Ala)
PAC 10 1-1 (USC)
Big Ten 1-2 (Ohio State)
Big 12.. 2-5 (OK, Tex, Neb)

Love how you didn't include the ACC or Big East, haha.

3 SEC teams in the last 4 years, 4 titles.

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King Curtis wrote: I dont want to hear your shit you turd.

You are a living example of the prhase "Turd in the toilet bowl of life"

Terry_Tate wrote:

mhs95_06 wrote: Major four conferences BCS NC game records:

SEC..... 6-0 (Tenn, LSU, Fla, Ala)
PAC 10 1-1 (USC)
Big Ten 1-2 (Ohio State)
Big 12.. 2-5 (OK, Tex, Neb)

Love how you didn't include the ACC or Big East, haha.

Including records of any who won any:

Miami......... 1-1
Florida State 1-2

enigmaax wrote:

Non wrote: Texas came out throwing because they felt disrespected after Alabama scored a classless touchdown.

The fans boo'd. Mack Brown inside was probably saying "you SOB" and then Texas had the urge to try and score again.

When it was 31-21 and 47 seconds left, both coaches should've been thinking it's been a good, well-respected game and it ends here. Mack Brown was thinking that way. Saban should have been, too.

Texas 51 Kansas 20
4th-and-9 from the Kansas 13, 2:20 to go, Mack Brown goes for it
Texas 47 Baylor 14
5:18 left, Texas passes on 2 of 3 downs before punting
Texas 41 Missouri 7
4th-and-4, 0:32 left from the Missouri 27, Mack Brown goes for it

You could take a look at how many times Mack Brown kneeled the ball in the 4th quarter this season. Or how many passes he called in the 4th quarter of blowouts. I'm pretty sure he knows it is a 60-minute game and wasn't pissed off about playing the whole thing out.

Some really terrible examples.

1) UT v. KU - What would you prefer Mack to do? Kick a field goal? Honestly, what call would you make as a coach? Btw, KU had all three timeouts.

2) UT v. Baylor - Yes, Texas did throw the ball. What you fail to mention is that it was Freshman Garret Gilbert throwing the ball. Perhaps to get him some work in a game situation in case of a future injury to McCoy? Seems reasonable to me.

3) UT v. Missouri - "Mack Brown goes for it." LOL. Ya, he gave it to his 6th string back 6 out of 7 times on that drive. He had 9 carries on the year. With 0:32 left, what would you expect him to do? Yes, he probably could have taken a knee to start earlier in the drive but its not like he had his first team in the game. All three are COMPLETELY different scenarios than last night.

what goes around comes around. nice win bama (even though McCoy was out) a win is a win. the other conferences will have their day too.

LJ

Take your moderator status and shove it you scumbag.

King Curtis wrote: LJ

Take your moderator status and shove it you scumbag.

I'm sure 'bama fans everywhere are celebrating by having sex with their cousins.

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