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May 23, 2011 7:05 PM
wildcats20;777851 wrote:If they did that, it would set them back at least 3 more years.

That is a TERRIBLE trade. The 2 players you get at 1 and 4 will be better than Heyward and Millsap the minute they put the hat on.

Agreed. R&R basically said the Cavs need to take same stance that the Grizz took regarding Gay..."unless you have a 'star' (which in the Cavs place trading with Utah they'd require an 'elite' star) to throw in the deal we're not doing the it."
May 23, 2011 7:05pm
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May 23, 2011 7:17 PM
wildcats20;777851 wrote:If they did that, it would set them back at least 3 more years.

That is a TERRIBLE trade. The 2 players you get at 1 and 4 will be better than Heyward and Millsap the minute they put the hat on.

I'm not sure, depends on who you get at the 4 pick, Heyward really played well at the end of the season and Millsap is a possible 20 and 10 guy, would probably have Kyrie and hopefully the 4 pick pans out.
May 23, 2011 7:17pm
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May 23, 2011 7:28 PM
There's no harm in offering that for gay. He's on the brink of being an all star. Him and Irving would make the cavs a playoff contender next year. But I agree we don't want to give up too much for him.
May 23, 2011 7:28pm
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May 23, 2011 7:40 PM
jpake1;777855 wrote:I wouldn't really take any semi-veteran guy back. The only way that Cleveland builds a contender is through multiple high draft picks. I'm talking 4-6 lottery picks for the next 3 years. This year is a great start. They'll probably have a high lottery pick next year and a very late 1st.

This.
May 23, 2011 7:40pm
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May 23, 2011 7:46 PM
BR1986FB;777807 wrote:New rumor that surfaced from two different sources over the weekend (heard on WKNR), the Cavs ship #1 & #4 to Utah for Paul Millsap, Gordon Hayward and the #3 pick in the draft (assumed they'd take Knight). Don't like this one at all.
I think I would take that trade, although I don't like the Knight part of it.

Millsap would probably instantly be the Cavs best player and Hayward was just the #9 pick last year and had a great finish to the year. I don't think he'll be a stud, but I don't think whoever we ended up with at #4 would be a stud either.
May 23, 2011 7:46pm
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May 23, 2011 9:28 PM
After thinking about the Utah trade the more I like it (unless the Cavs are 100% sold on Irving). You are able to add an additional player. With the lack of talent on the roster it us worth considering. I don't think they should or will, but it's a solid offer IMO.
May 23, 2011 9:28pm
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May 23, 2011 9:42 PM
I would say let us keep the 4th pick and we will throw in varajeo
May 23, 2011 9:42pm
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May 23, 2011 11:38 PM
I say let's keep the #1 pick and draft Kyrie Irving because he's going to be a fucking stud.
May 23, 2011 11:38pm
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May 23, 2011 11:54 PM
hoops23;778333 wrote:I say let's keep the #1 pick and draft Kyrie Irving because he's going to be a fucking stud.

Yep. I dont even think about that Utah trade if I'm Grant and the Cavs.
May 23, 2011 11:54pm
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May 24, 2011 12:00 AM
KR1245;778344 wrote:Yep. I dont even think about that Utah trade if I'm Grant and the Cavs.

Agreed. Irving is my guy.

It's turing into a PG league where the PG's are the stars and the big men are glorified role players.
May 24, 2011 12:00am
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May 24, 2011 12:12 AM
I don't agree with that. The position is becoming loaded, but I haven't seen one carry a team to the promise land in a long time. You need a superstar, no matter the position and some allstar talent around you.
May 24, 2011 12:12am
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May 24, 2011 12:15 AM
jpake1;778364 wrote:I don't agree with that. The position is becoming loaded, but I haven't seen one carry a team to the promise land in a long time. You need a superstar, no matter the position and some allstar talent around you.

OBviously. But in this draft there is a potential stud at PG and again, Big men are going more and more towards glorified role players... Look at the teams left in the playoffs.

Great PG's and PG play (aside from Miami, unless LBJ is running point)...

BTW, I'd say Chauncey was the key cog in Detroit's title run in '04...

Obviously it was a good team effort, but Chauncey EARNED his nickname in that series :)
May 24, 2011 12:15am
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May 24, 2011 12:34 AM
The landscape is surely changing, but I don't see pg carrying teams to rings. A lot of talent is abundant there though. I'll still take the elite sg or sf going forward. But yes Irving seems like the correct pick.
May 24, 2011 12:34am
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May 24, 2011 12:39 AM
jpake1;778392 wrote:The landscape is surely changing, but I don't see pg carrying teams to rings. A lot of talent is abundant there though. I'll still take the elite sg or sf going forward. But yes Irving seems like the correct pick.

Not that I don't disagree taking a stud SG or SF, but there aren't any in the draft. Now, if the Cavs can work a trade for the 4th pick and maybe Andy or something (just grasping here) for a guy like Gay or maybe even Mayo I'd be very happy.
May 24, 2011 12:39am
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May 24, 2011 2:48 AM
I honestly dont think Mayo would be worth the trouble if you went after him.

But I agree that this draft doesnt have a real stud wing player. Kyrie is the best option at #1 IMO
May 24, 2011 2:48am
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May 24, 2011 7:05 AM
hoops23;778369 wrote:OBviously. But in this draft there is a potential stud at PG and again, Big men are going more and more towards glorified role players... Look at the teams left in the playoffs.

Great PG's and PG play (aside from Miami, unless LBJ is running point)...

Dallas? Jason Kidd is definitely not a stud at this point. The Lakers the past 2 years?

There are a lot of very good PGs in the league right now, but they aren't carrying teams anywhere (outside of Rose).
May 24, 2011 7:05am
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May 24, 2011 8:52 AM
Nope, I take Irving. Sorry Utah.
May 24, 2011 8:52am
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May 24, 2011 9:08 AM
Mulva;778469 wrote:Dallas? Jason Kidd is definitely not a stud at this point. The Lakers the past 2 years?.

Fisher and Kidd are both still very good PG's. Have you watched Dallas play? Kidd has lost a step with age but he's been great in the playoffs. Look how long both teams have been good with those guys running the show too. Easy choice, draft Irving, have your 'QB' locked up.
May 24, 2011 9:08am
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May 24, 2011 9:30 AM
Kidd still plays at a high level. Fisher however, does not.
May 24, 2011 9:30am
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May 24, 2011 9:32 AM
Commander of Awesome;778548 wrote:Kidd still plays at a high level. Fisher however, does not.

He did the last two seasons. He certainly didn't this year, but age catches up with you at some point. It'll catch Jason Kidd soon too.
May 24, 2011 9:32am
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May 24, 2011 10:34 AM
Are solid contributors now carries? Dirk and kobe carried. Nobody has done it since Thomas at the pg spot.
May 24, 2011 10:34am
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May 24, 2011 8:26 PM
Everything I've read says Irving to Cleveland is now only a formality.

I'd keep the #4 pick and take either an euro player whether it be Kanter/Jonas etc.

Per "Windy", Cleveland has asked for an extension on their TPE for after the deadline. I'd really like to see Cleveland try to land another 1st and quality player with the TPE.
May 24, 2011 8:26pm
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May 24, 2011 10:13 PM
devil1197;779228 wrote:Everything I've read says Irving to Cleveland is now only a formality.

I'd keep the #4 pick and take either an euro player whether it be Kanter/Jonas etc.

Per "Windy", Cleveland has asked for an extension on their TPE for after the deadline. I'd really like to see Cleveland try to land another 1st and quality player with the TPE.

Irving has to be the pick.
I wouldnt mind bringing in a quality player although I'm more interested in draft picks at this point. I guess he mentioned Iguodalas name in a possible trade......no thanks
May 24, 2011 10:13pm
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May 24, 2011 10:17 PM
Supposedly the only team Irving is working out for is the Cavs. I think that pretty much firms up who they are taking.
May 24, 2011 10:17pm
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May 24, 2011 10:20 PM
And by supposedly, I mean I read it on Ford's Mock Draft 3.0
May 24, 2011 10:20pm