Why do I have to know that to want that person fired? Your logic is fail.rock_knutne;714178 wrote:My logic is just fine, again, who should be fired? Who's DIRECTLY in charge of this kid?
LJ;714180 wrote:what question? That his direct boss is responsible for him?
So then Kelly is at fault?
LJ;714184 wrote:I don't know who killed Jon Bennet Ramsey, but I want that person put to justice.
rock_knutne;714186 wrote:And you want to question someone else's logic when you're comparing a tragic accident to a little girl that was raped and murdered. Who's a fucking moron?
rock_knutne;714185 wrote:Is Kelly the kids direct boss? Is Kelly truely at fault? YOU and no one else will ever know, get it?
Yeah and the University of Notre Dame has accepted FULL responsibility. I'm moving on from this, you can accuse and cry about wanting someone fired all you want, karen is right, who the hell are you......LOL!LJ;714187 wrote::rolleyes:
Someone was responsible for both DURRRRRRRRR
LJ;714190 wrote:And you are ok with that? lame
LJ;714176 wrote:go fuck yourself
You don't have to be "somebody" to want justice.
rock_knutne;714194 wrote:Yeah and the University of Notre Dame has accepted FULL responsibility. I'm moving on from this, you can accuse and cry about wanting someone fired all you want, karen is right, who the hell are you......LOL!
The University as an entity did not do those, an individual did. OSHA only fines the entity itself, but there is SOMEONE that is responsible for this.Notre Dame did not establish and maintain conditions of work that were reasonably safe for its employees that were free from recognized hazards that caused or were likely to cause death or serious injury.”
• Knowingly exposing its employees to unsafe conditions by directing its untrained student videographers to use the scissor lift during a period of time when the National Weather Service issued an active wind advisory with sustained winds and guests in excess of the manufactured specifications and warnings. $55,000 fine.
• Not properly training the student employees in the operation and use of scissor lifts. $5,000 fine.
karen lotz;714200 wrote:Ouch man, my feelings are hurt. I'm glad you subscribe to the ytown and cbf method of online discussion.
rock_knutne;714199 wrote:Yeah I am OK with it because if there was a reason to fire someone, ND would have done it a very long time ago.
sleeper;714198 wrote:LJ, you're dealing with the most delusional fan base in all of sports. I agree with you, a $77,000 fine is not justice, its a freakin' joke. Someone needs to lose their job over this, whether it be Kelly, or someone else.
It's sad that Notre Dame fans care more about football than the loss of someone's life, which is ironic because this is the University that preaches Catholicism. ND fans want to know why everyone hates ND? This is exhibit A.
rock_knutne;714194 wrote:who the hell are you......LOL!
karen lotz;714206 wrote:Again, do you not understand that the university has an ongoing investigation? $77,000 is not justice and will be comparable to Tressel's fine (slap on the wrist) when the university and the Sullivan family reach a financial agreement. OSHA is not the final word on this, but they did give the maximum penalty allowed under state law. What else would you like them to do?
LJ;714203 wrote:I'm glad you subscribe to calling someone a "nobody" then acting all high and mighty when they fire back. Good call.
karen lotz;714211 wrote:Saying you can't have a discussion with someone with out calling them a fucking moron isn't being high and mighty. Its pointing out a fact. I WANT JUSTICE!
LJ;714209 wrote:Just because it the maximum allowable means we have to think it was enough?
LJ;714212 wrote:I can't? I only call it like I see it. If someone is logical with me, I have no problem and can carry on a logical discussion. Telling someone what they are when they are being one is nothing but reality. Sorry if you cannot handle that.
You are pretty passive aggressive. No better than calling people names.
karen lotz;714214 wrote:THERE IS NOTHING ELSE OSHA COULD DO. You keep repeating they found ND negligent but don't find the fact that they fined ND by the maximum amount allowed by Indiana state law enough? What else do you want them to do?
karen lotz;714215 wrote:Its not about being logical with you. Its about whether or not they agree with you. The fact that sleeper and Thread Bomber are the ONLY two people on the site taking your stance should be proof of your so called "logic".
karen lotz;714206 wrote:Again, do you not understand that the university has an ongoing investigation? $77,000 is not justice and will be comparable to Tressel's fine (slap on the wrist) when the university and the Sullivan family reach a financial agreement. OSHA is not the final word on this, but they did give the maximum penalty allowed under state law. What else would you like them to do?
LJ;714217 wrote:Webfire agrees. Others have agreed. Seems as though that You and Rock are the only ones disagreeing and ignoring the actual facts.
1. OSHA found Notre Dame Negligent.
2. Those actions caused the death of an employee
3. The person who was in charge of that employe should be fired for negligence
What is so hard to understand?
karen lotz;714220 wrote:I don't understand who you think you are that you want "justice" when the case has absolutely nothing to do with you.
karen lotz;714220 wrote:I don't understand who you think you are that you want "justice" when the case has absolutely nothing to do with you.