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karen lotz

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Mar 16, 2011 2:21 PM
sleeper;714219 wrote:Everyone and their mom knows the Sullivans were going to get paid from this. That isn't justice. Justice would be a very public firing over the person who is responsible for the death of an innocent 20 year old kid. I think that man is Brian Kelly, but it could be someone else.

I don't the University investigation turns out anything, funny how that works.


Of course you think its Brian Kelly because that's what you want it to be because you have some odd obsession with Notre Dame. If this was at any other university you wouldn't even have an opinion on it.


You don't think the investigation will find anything? That investigation won't be made public in any way unless someone is fired or resigns.
Mar 16, 2011 2:21pm
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Mar 16, 2011 2:23 PM
sleeper;714222 wrote:So I shouldn't want justice for the rape of an innocent woman because I'm not involved?

Wow, you Domers are DELUSIONAL.
LJ;714224 wrote:Getting a little touchy are we? I am a concerned citizen. Why would I NOT want to see justice served? Sense, make some.
LOL, glad you both are concerned citizens.
Mar 16, 2011 2:23pm
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Mar 16, 2011 2:24 PM
karen lotz;714228 wrote:LOL, glad you both are concerned citizens.

You don't think I would be all over any university that showed this kind of negligence that killed a kid? I'm not a Notre Dame hater. I don't post on Notre Dame threads.
Mar 16, 2011 2:24pm
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Mar 16, 2011 2:29 PM
karen lotz;714220 wrote:I don't understand who you think you are that you want "justice" when the case has absolutely nothing to do with you.

The plantiffs in criminal cases are "the people", not "the victim". Every case has to do with us. The negligence shown in this case clearly crosses into the criminal realm, IMO.
Mar 16, 2011 2:29pm
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rock_knutne

Mar 16, 2011 2:32 PM
LJ;714229 wrote:I don't post on Notre Dame threads.

Then leave this one.
Mar 16, 2011 2:32pm
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rock_knutne

Mar 16, 2011 2:33 PM
queencitybuckeye;714232 wrote:The plantiffs in criminal cases are "the people", not "the victim". Every case has to do with us. The negligence shown in this case clearly crosses into the criminal realm, IMO.
LOL!!!!! I've heard it all now!
Mar 16, 2011 2:33pm
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Mar 16, 2011 2:34 PM
rock_knutne;714236 wrote:Then leave this one.

And who are you again?
Mar 16, 2011 2:34pm
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rock_knutne

Mar 16, 2011 2:53 PM
LJ;714238 wrote:And who are you again?
Who am I?
Mar 16, 2011 2:53pm
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vball10set

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Mar 16, 2011 3:01 PM
for God's sake, it was an accident--you don't think BK feels horrible about it? I understand where everyone on here is coming from, but it's over--Declan Sullivan has left this earth due to a horrific, freak accident, and OSHA handed out it's penalty. I can't speak for the family of Mr. Sullivan, but I'm sure they'll try and find closure through their faith and family.
Mar 16, 2011 3:01pm
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Mar 16, 2011 3:02 PM
rock_knutne;714237 wrote:LOL!!!!! I've heard it all now!

I'd wager I know more about the actual facts of the matter than you. You don't strike me a much of a reader.
Mar 16, 2011 3:02pm
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rock_knutne

Mar 16, 2011 3:06 PM
queencitybuckeye;714259 wrote:I'd wager I know more about the actual facts of the matter than you. You don't strike me a much of a reader.
I don't give a rats ass what you THINK you know! Crosses in to the criminal realm.......LMFAO!
Mar 16, 2011 3:06pm
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Mar 16, 2011 3:17 PM
Wake me up when the Sullivan's say he should resign.
Mar 16, 2011 3:17pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Mar 16, 2011 3:20 PM
rock_knutne;714263 wrote:I don't give a rats ass what you THINK you know!

The lack of interest in learning is why you remain stupid.
Mar 16, 2011 3:20pm
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Mar 16, 2011 3:39 PM
The kid wasn't on a forklift.
Mar 16, 2011 3:39pm
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Mar 16, 2011 3:41 PM
vball10set;714258 wrote:for God's sake, it was an accident--you don't think BK feels horrible about it? I understand where everyone on here is coming from, but it's over--Declan Sullivan has left this earth due to a horrific, freak accident, and OSHA handed out it's penalty. I can't speak for the family of Mr. Sullivan, but I'm sure they'll try and find closure through their faith and family.


Well said.
Mar 16, 2011 3:41pm
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Mar 16, 2011 3:45 PM
Notre Dame still sucks....
Mar 16, 2011 3:45pm
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Mar 16, 2011 7:04 PM
vball10set;714258 wrote:for God's sake, it was an accident--you don't think BK feels horrible about it? I understand where everyone on here is coming from, but it's over--Declan Sullivan has left this earth due to a horrific, freak accident, and OSHA handed out it's penalty. I can't speak for the family of Mr. Sullivan, but I'm sure they'll try and find closure through their faith and family.
Aaaaand.....CUT!

Best post on the thread. Could not agree more.

Maybe shutting this fucker down would be a good idea now. This shit is headed for Will & Grace-ville.
Mar 16, 2011 7:04pm
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Mar 16, 2011 7:07 PM
Tiger2003;714290 wrote:The kid wasn't on a forklift.

scissors lift.
Mar 16, 2011 7:07pm
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Mar 16, 2011 7:34 PM
vball10set;714258 wrote:for God's sake, it was an accident--you don't think BK feels horrible about it? I understand where everyone on here is coming from, but it's over--Declan Sullivan has left this earth due to a horrific, freak accident, and OSHA handed out it's penalty. I can't speak for the family of Mr. Sullivan, but I'm sure they'll try and find closure through a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

Fixed.
Mar 16, 2011 7:34pm
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Mar 16, 2011 8:02 PM
sleeper;714453 wrote:Fixed.

please, don't fuck with my posts, okay?
Mar 16, 2011 8:02pm
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Mar 16, 2011 9:25 PM
Just because OSHA finds a fault doesn't mean jack shit. OSHA also charged my company I work for 25000 dollars because we had pallets standing up on it's side instead of being flat on the ground. I agree this is a terrible accident but to fire Brian Kelly because of this is ridiculous. And lj and sleeper Stfu. If this wasn't nd you would even care don't give me the " im so concerned in this case" bullshit. You are just nd haters so gtfo
Mar 16, 2011 9:25pm
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Mar 16, 2011 9:26 PM
Tobias Fünke;714275 wrote:Wake me up when the Sullivan's say he should resign.

This.
Mar 16, 2011 9:26pm
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Mar 16, 2011 9:27 PM
Crimson streak;714579 wrote: And lj Stfu. If this wasn't nd you would even care don't give me the " im so concerned in this case" bullshit. You are just nd haters so gtfo

You couldn't be anymore wrong
Mar 16, 2011 9:27pm
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Mar 16, 2011 9:37 PM
LJ;714207 wrote:Who the hell are YOU?! I think that is the question. I am someone concerned that a person is in charge of others that directly caused a person's death.

I think this is where the thinking that Kelly is responsible and needs to be fired is a little off. The direct cause of Declan Sullivan's death was high winds that knocked over the scissor lift. Now you can argue that Kelly was the INDIRECT cause of his death because he decided to have practice outside that day. But the only way that Brian Kelly could be the direct cause of the death would be if he was standing at the bottom of the lift and shaking it until it fell over.

I think there are a lot of people that can be blamed for the INDIRECT causing of a person's death. Should all of those people be forced to resign or get the ax? As Tobias said, if Declan's family said that would help them bring closure, then I might reconsider my stance. But based on what I've read, I feel that there is not one specific person responsible for Declan's death, and therefore...I don't think anyone should be fired or step down.
Mar 16, 2011 9:37pm
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rock_knutne

Mar 16, 2011 9:43 PM
queencitybuckeye;714278 wrote:My lack of brain is why I remain stupid.

Fixed!
Mar 16, 2011 9:43pm