Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Mar 15, 2011 3:48pm
Zwick, you better get that pre nup signed!
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Mar 15, 2011 4:49pm
Fab1b;713145 wrote:Just get married on a beach somewhere, better yet don't get married!
Exactly. The official rite of the sacrament says that the couple are the ministers of the sacrament and that a priest isn't necessary and that you don't even need to be married in a church. Find some nice your protestant minister (like me!) to do the service for you. As far as the official Catholic doctrine is concerned it shouldn't matter.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Mar 15, 2011 4:59pm
person a shouldn't force person b to convert.
1. a person believes what they believe, converting for love is silly.
2. as a catholic practioner, i know that if these 2 were to get divorced, person a can have a very quick annulment as the church won't recognize their marriage at all being as person b is not catholic.
1. a person believes what they believe, converting for love is silly.
2. as a catholic practioner, i know that if these 2 were to get divorced, person a can have a very quick annulment as the church won't recognize their marriage at all being as person b is not catholic.
Bio-Hazzzzard
Posts: 1,027
Mar 15, 2011 5:06pm
That's it right there.j_crazy;713223 wrote:person a shouldn't force person b to convert.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Mar 15, 2011 5:08pm
j_crazy;713223 wrote:person a shouldn't force person b to convert.
1. a person believes what they believe, converting for love is silly.
ZWICK 4 PREZ;712936 wrote:Person A is Catholic. Person B is Protestant. Person B wants to convert to Catholicism but probably won't until after the marriage.
I don't think this really needs any commentary on my part.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Mar 15, 2011 5:10pm
LJ;713069 wrote:A nice 15 minute marriage ceremony like we are getting at the Methodist church we are members of
You aren't required to have a full mass for a wedding. They prefer that you do. But when I got married, we had the readings, a quick sermon, the ceremony, and then we were out. I think our ceremony itself took about half an hour.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Mar 15, 2011 11:09pm
sherm03;713237 wrote:You aren't required to have a full mass for a wedding. They prefer that you do. But when I got married, we had the readings, a quick sermon, the ceremony, and then we were out. I think our ceremony itself took about half an hour.
same here and we are both catholic. the priest asked why we didn't want the full mass and instead of saying we don't go to church we just said it will be easier on our families/friends to not have to sit through the whole thing. luckily he didn't mind.
password
Posts: 2,360
Mar 15, 2011 11:11pm
dave;713118 wrote:You have to do the classes regardless, even if both are catholic. If only 1 is, often you won't be allowed to have a full catholic mass.
I know when me and my wife were getting married, we wanted to have our wedding in the local Catholic church because it was very nice. When I contacted the church and asked to be married there I was told that we both would have to be Catholic, so that would mean that my wife would have to convert to the Catholic religion as she was not Catholic. I was baptized Catholic and attended Catholic school my whole life and we were told that we would have to attend classes and she would have to pay more for the church because she was not a member of the church but I was and she would still have to convert before we could marry. I said no and married in her church and I wonder why I have problems with the religion.
THE4RINGZ
Posts: 16,816
Mar 15, 2011 11:50pm
Most churches do charge more for non members to rent their churches for weddings. That isn't Just a Catholic thing.
How is one religion requiring both people being married under their believes requiring both people to have the same beliefs such a bad thing?
How is one religion requiring both people being married under their believes requiring both people to have the same beliefs such a bad thing?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 15, 2011 11:54pm
THE4RINGZ;713664 wrote:Most churches do charge more for non members to rent their churches for weddings. That isn't Just a Catholic thing.
How is one religion requiring both people being married under their believes requiring both people to have the same beliefs such a bad thing?
Its not just a "Church/Religion thing" either.
Paul gives several cautions about people being Un-equally yoked or people marrying with different spiritual beliefs.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Mar 16, 2011 12:02am
password;713611 wrote:I know when me and my wife were getting married, we wanted to have our wedding in the local Catholic church because it was very nice. When I contacted the church and asked to be married there I was told that we both would have to be Catholic, so that would mean that my wife would have to convert to the Catholic religion as she was not Catholic. I was baptized Catholic and attended Catholic school my whole life and we were told that we would have to attend classes and she would have to pay more for the church because she was not a member of the church but I was and she would still have to convert before we could marry. I said no and married in her church and I wonder why I have problems with the religion.
This is pretty much standard practice for most churches, not just Catholic churches. At the very least, most churches require that at least one of the people being married be a member of the church. The main reason that churches do this is because they want to make sure that other church activities and church member's weddings take precedence over non-member's weddings. Non-members are also usually charged more for the building usage because typically members would already be contributing to the church. Besides, if you dislike organized religion, why would you get married in a church? I'll never understand why so many people who don't attend church want to get married in a church and have an overtly Christian wedding service.
ICEMAN59
Posts: 160
Mar 16, 2011 12:03am
God forbid churches have rules.
password
Posts: 2,360
Mar 16, 2011 12:29am
krambman;713684 wrote:This is pretty much standard practice for most churches, not just Catholic churches. At the very least, most churches require that at least one of the people being married be a member of the church. The main reason that churches do this is because they want to make sure that other church activities and church member's weddings take precedence over non-member's weddings. Non-members are also usually charged more for the building usage because typically members would already be contributing to the church. Besides, if you dislike organized religion, why would you get married in a church? I'll never understand why so many people who don't attend church want to get married in a church and have an overtly Christian wedding service.
This was the same church that I attended for years, before I stopped going to church.We didn't want an overtly Christian wedding, we just to get married in the church because it is a beautiful structure and would make a nice background for pictures.
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justcompete
Posts: 263
Mar 16, 2011 7:37am
I am Catholic and have been to at least 10 weddings where one of the two have not been Catholic. I have never heard of someone NEEDING to convert to get married in the Church. My parents were married in the 50's and were not both Catholic. There are classes to take which explains the Catholic view on this Sacrament, but forcing someone to convert makes absolutely no sense. If this is not your cup-of-tea, that is fine, but don't bad mouth someone who wants to be united in front of God.
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Sonofanump
Mar 16, 2011 7:59am
I have a relative that is Catholic that married a Jewish man in a Catholic church.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Mar 16, 2011 8:36am
sherm03;713237 wrote:You aren't required to have a full mass for a wedding. They prefer that you do. But when I got married, we had the readings, a quick sermon, the ceremony, and then we were out. I think our ceremony itself took about half an hour.
Shortest Catholic ceremony I have been to was just over 45 minutes, and they told me they shortened it as much as they possibly could. The others are all just over an hour.
Our Ceremony will be around 20 minutes. It's just one of the reasons I don't agree with Catholicism, but a very minor one in the scope of things.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 16, 2011 8:43am
I've always found it odd that a person has to "convert" from being a Christian to a Christian.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Mar 16, 2011 10:07am
justcompete;713797 wrote:I am Catholic and have been to at least 10 weddings where one of the two have not been Catholic. I have never heard of someone NEEDING to convert to get married in the Church. My parents were married in the 50's and were not both Catholic. There are classes to take which explains the Catholic view on this Sacrament, but forcing someone to convert makes absolutely no sense. If this is not your cup-of-tea, that is fine, but don't bad mouth someone who wants to be united in front of God.
Again, he said Person B WANTS to convert. Nowhere did anyone say that anyone else was being forced to convert. I'm not sure how this even got brought up.
WebFire;713824 wrote:I've always found it odd that a person has to "convert" from being a Christian to a Christian.
Technically official Catholic doctrine says that only Catholics are Christians, since salvation comes from Christ through the church. Their belief is that outside of the church (and by church I mean Catholic church) that you cannot be saved. Now, most Catholics probably don't believe this and wouldn't tell people this, but that is the official doctrine, though the church has become more ecumenical in recent years.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 16, 2011 10:26am
krambman;713911 wrote: Technically official Catholic doctrine says that only Catholics are Christians, since salvation comes from Christ through the church. Their belief is that outside of the church (and by church I mean Catholic church) that you cannot be saved. Now, most Catholics probably don't believe this and wouldn't tell people this, but that is the official doctrine, though the church has become more ecumenical in recent years.
Sounds like a crock of shit to me.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Mar 16, 2011 10:51am
You will go to Hell if you are not married "in the church" but that is redundant becuz you're already in Hell for getting married in the first place.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Mar 16, 2011 10:52am
WebFire;713933 wrote:Sounds like a crock of shit to me.
Why? For 1500 years the Catholic church was the only Christian church, and Protestant denominations were largely founded (at first) by people who had been excommunicated for preaching what at the time was deemed to be heresy. Besides, basically every major world religion claims exclusivity on salvation.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Mar 16, 2011 11:26am
krambman;713955 wrote:Why? For 1500 years the Catholic church was the only Christian church, and Protestant denominations were largely founded (at first) by people who had been excommunicated for preaching what at the time was deemed to be heresy. Besides, basically every major world religion claims exclusivity on salvation.
Come on as a Baptist minister you should know that this isn't true of a lot of Protestant churches. Many Protestant denominations believe you are saved by accepting Christ's sacrifice for you sins and confessing them.
That has nothing to do with which denomination you happen to attend.
I attend a Baptist church and I can tell you that while Baptists believe their beliefs are the closest to what the Bible actually says, we do not preach that you have to be a Baptist to be saved.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 16, 2011 11:27am
lulzdTiernan;713954 wrote:You will go to Hell if you are not married "in the church" but that is redundant becuz you're already in Hell for getting married in the first place.
Actually, even many of those who were excommunicated were not intent on breaking off from the Church, but instead reforming the Church.krambman;713955 wrote:Why? For 1500 years the Catholic church was the only Christian church, and Protestant denominations were largely founded (at first) by people who had been excommunicated for preaching what at the time was deemed to be heresy. Besides, basically every major world religion claims exclusivity on salvation.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Mar 16, 2011 11:28am
There is a belief of one's own salvation being contingent on being part of the "whole" of those who are also saved, though.jmog;713994 wrote:Come on as a Baptist minister you should know that this isn't true of a lot of Protestant churches. Many Protestant denominations believe you are saved by accepting Christ's sacrifice for you sins and confessing them.
That has nothing to do with which denomination you happen to attend.
I attend a Baptist church and I can tell you that while Baptists believe their beliefs are the closest to what the Bible actually says, we do not preach that you have to be a Baptist to be saved.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 16, 2011 11:30am
...one attorney who was also considered a theologian and alcoholic in particular.O-Trap;713997 wrote:...
Actually, even many of those who were excommunicated were not intent on breaking off from the Church, but instead reforming the Church.