password;705430 wrote:She is not a prosecutor.
se-alum;705515 wrote:The lawyer was a former Buckeye football player, Chris Cicero.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/03/09/tressel-attorney-ncaa-violations.html
elbuckeye28;705563 wrote:When I saw your post that he was a former player I thought that it was even more bad news. Then I read the article. Obviously he is not a very reliable source, and has lied and fabricated stories for his own personal gain. Not exactly a person with a track record to make one think that the allegations were true, especially if the players, who I'm sure Tressel trusted, contradicted the story.
elbuckeye28;705563 wrote:When I saw your post that he was a former player I thought that it was even more bad news. Then I read the article. Obviously he is not a very reliable source, and has lied and fabricated stories for his own personal gain. Not exactly a person with a track record to make one think that the allegations were true, especially if the players, who I'm sure Tressel trusted, contradicted the story.
password;705576 wrote:Are you trying to say that none of this ever happened and it was all a lie, if that is proven to be true then everyone will owe Tressel and OSU an apology and the suspensions will be dropped.Keep your fingers crossed.
sherm03;705584 wrote:I agree that this guy is a shady character. But what did he stand to gain by sharing the info with Tressel?
elbuckeye28;705596 wrote:I don't know what he had to gain, and there is a good chance he had nothing to gain at all. I'm just saying that it is easier to understand Tressel's passive approach to the emails coming from an untrustworthy individual. While I don't know if this happened or not, if he approached the players in question and they contradicting his story, it is easy to understand why Tressel would not pursue this any further.
The thing is, I bet every coach gets hundreds, if not thousands, of emails each year telling them that violations are being committed. If they responded to everyone, the compliance staff would have to be 10 times the size it is. Obviously some of these allegations are more plausible than others, but if a person is widely known to be a shady individual, then the it becomes less likely.sherm03;705609 wrote:The problem with that, though, is that it's not Tressel's job to do his own investigating. If a coach just went to his players every time something was reported and then dropped it when they denied the allegations, nothing would ever be done. He should have questioned the guys. When they said nothing happened, he should have said..."OK good. I have to turn this over to the compliance officer. But I'm glad to hear that there is nothing to this." He then lets the compliance officer know and he is no longer liable. Leave it up to the compliance officer to decide if the source is trustworthy or not and if the allegations are worth anything.
I don't buy the fact that because this guy had a sordid professional past it gives Tressel a free pass for overlooking this.
I can agree with that. However, if the coach thinks that there is nothing to the story, why respond to the individual's accusations at all. Simply do not respond. If Tressel did not think there was anything to the story, he wouldn't have responded to every single one of the attorney's emails. I really believe that Tressel knows this guy and believed the story from the beginning. Otherwise, he would not respond to all the following emails after the first one.elbuckeye28;705622 wrote:The thing is, I bet every coach gets hundreds, if not thousands, of emails each year telling them that violations are being committed. If they responded to everyone, the compliance staff would have to be 10 times the size it is. Obviously some of these allegations are more plausible than others, but if a person is widely known to be a shady individual, then the it becomes less likely.
He could have also believed that there was some plausibility to his story, and was more worried about his players being involved with the federal investigation. I obviously don't know, but for a coach that is about to put his players, universities, and own reputation on the line, he does seem rather passive and disinterested in the emails. I would think( although you never know), if he believed serious infractions were occurring, whether he was planning to report them or not, he would show some more urgency in gaining some information on the matter.sherm03;705631 wrote:I can agree with that. However, if the coach thinks that there is nothing to the story, why respond to the individual's accusations at all. Simply do not respond. If Tressel did not think there was anything to the story, he wouldn't have responded to every single one of the attorney's emails. I really believe that Tressel knows this guy and believed the story from the beginning. Otherwise, he would not respond to all the following emails after the first one.
We always hear this same old line. I'm so tired of it. This entire situation will not make Tressel come back with an edge, if anything, it will take the wind out of his sails. He looked like a broken man yesterday.Midstate01;704801 wrote:Yea let's hate fucking 18-21 year old kids. Gtfo. Some of the ppl on here amaze me. Tress was wrong. Very wrong. But I'd still want my kid playing for him. And I still want him being the coach for my team. We found out tress isn't the second coming of Jesus last night. He made mistakes and will pay for them. People around the country already hate OSU. This doesn't change anything. Tress will come back with an edge we've never gotten to see. I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait to get to our house in japan Sunday and hang my buckeye flag. We still bleed scarlet and grey and support the players and the coaches.
Go bucks.
mrtinkertrain;704833 wrote:I'm not sure who Jason Lloyd is but that was brutal and 110% factual. I hate to burst some OSU fan's bubble's but 2 games and 250K isnt going to make this one go away.
The NCAA loves Tressel and the money he generates but even they have to maintain some form respectability.
elbuckeye28;705622 wrote:The thing is, I bet every coach gets hundreds, if not thousands, of emails each year telling them that violations are being committed. If they responded to everyone, the compliance staff would have to be 10 times the size it is. Obviously some of these allegations are more plausible than others, but if a person is widely known to be a shady individual, then the it becomes less likely.
sherm03;705745 wrote:I put a theory on the other thread about the possibility of Tressel covering for Smith or someone else higher up to keep the University from getting hit with anything. I don't feel like typing it again here, but check the other thread asking if Tressel should step down if you're interested in it.
ironman02;705810 wrote:I know he has done a lot for OSU and has had great success during his tenure, but I'm actually surprised that he wasn't asked to step down. Again, maybe OSU is hoping that he can take the blame and the program as a whole won't be dealt with severely. I have a lot of respect for Tressel, and while I still support him as OSU's football coach, I have definitely lost some of that respect. Pretty disappointing.
Yeah, you're right. That's why I said I don't buy Tressel's excuse unless there's more to the story. For his sake, I hope there is.centralbucksfan;705816 wrote:Maybe he wasn't asked to step down, because there is in fact more to the story than what we know. And by that, Smith and Gee didn't feel he deserved to lose his job. They are both sticking their neck out for him by supporting him. I am sure they know the entire situation and are just speculating as we are. And both men are about as respected as they come in their respective positions.
ironman02;705810 wrote:Speaking of that, did anyone notice Tressel's reaction when he was asked if he forwarded the e-mails to anyone? I thought for sure that he started to shake his head answering "yes", but then Gene Smith stopped him. That does make you wonder if he's actually attempting to take all the punishment, in an effort to make sure that the entire football program isn't nailed with extensive sanctions.
You can hear him say "uh huh" under his breath before he gets cut off by Smith.ironman02;705833 wrote:Yeah, exactly. I don't know if that nod is to say "I understand your question and now I'm going to answer it" or "Yes, I did forward the e-mails".
They're saying he didn't, but I'm starting to believe that he did.Cleveland Buck;705834 wrote:So he did forward the emails. To whom?
Who knows, but they way Smith cut him off it would be easy to think that they were forwarded to Smith or someone in the compliance department if he did forward them.Cleveland Buck;705834 wrote:So he did forward the emails. To whom?