Id say theyre pretty damn closese-alum;697427 wrote:lol @ Morris and Thompson. As a PG Craft is better than Battle(I don't think Battle is technically even the PG).
lhslep134;697433 wrote:I understand that BUT:
OSU w/o Craft: No national championship chance
OSU w/o Sully: No national championship chance
So it would seem pretty apparent to me they have pretty similar value in the grand scheme of things even if not on a play-by-play or minute-to-minute basis.
se-alum;697427 wrote:lol @ Morris and Thompson. As a PG Craft is better than Battle(I don't think Battle is technically even the PG).
ytownfootball;697445 wrote:I'm not so sure we can say that without Craft we have no shot at a title. We obviously have a better shot with him, but we can play decent ball without him too. Were he not available, someone else could fill the spot and still produce, not so much w/out Sully.
lhslep134;697449 wrote:This. And McCamey? Craft limited him to 20 pts on 7-21 shooting and 9 turnovers to only 11 assists.
lhslep134;697451 wrote:No. We had the POY last year and didn't do anything because we didn't have a PG. PG is the most important position on the floor, so I completely disagree about your statement that someone could fill the spot and still produce. If it was that easy, we would have made it a lot further last year.
ytownfootball;697456 wrote:But we didn't have the post...lol
Kinda just proved the point
Hb31187;697454 wrote:
.but hes not exactly an all american like some of you make him out to be
lhslep134;697461 wrote:Not saying he's an all-american, or anywhere near as talented as Sully. But he's a true 1 (like McCamey), not a combo guard like the majority of college point guards (Battle, Taylor, etc.), and THAT is just as valuable as Sully.
Hb31187;697462 wrote:If you guys ran a lot of sets, like a Northwestern or something like that id agree. But you guys have a pretty wide open offense and all of your guards can initiate the offense and pass fairly well. So im just not sold on him being irreplaceable(at least on the offensive end, his D is very good)
lhslep134;697459 wrote:So you're saying the 5 is as important a position as a 1? Maybe if you have a once in a generation elite 5 (such as Oden), but Sully is not that. Gifted? Yes, but enough so that the 5 is more important than the 1? No freaking way.
ytownfootball;697466 wrote:We're going to disagree on this, but I'll give my 2 cents anyway. Oden was much better defensively, but Jared is a much more effective post player offensively in as much as when the D collapses on him, he finds the open man with ease, Oden would force things offensively going to the hole. That's fine. But with Sully in there, his ability to score, draw fouls, dish to the open look (especially with our shooters now) makes him more valuable than any one that we have, we don't have any slasher/dishers that go consistently. Sully opens up looks for everyone else and balances our offense completely.
lhslep134;697471 wrote:http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jared-sullinger&p1=greg-oden
Statistics say it's a lot closer than you think. I stand by my point that a 1 is more valuable than a 5 unless we're talking about a Tim Duncan or a Greg Oden (someone who is elite both offensively and defensively).
Dude, you are just wrong. Sullinger is as good of a player as there is in the country. We are arguing whether Craft is a top 5 PG in the Big 10.lhslep134;697471 wrote:http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jared-sullinger&p1=greg-oden
Statistics say it's a lot closer than you think. I stand by my point that a 1 is more valuable than a 5 unless we're talking about a Tim Duncan or a Greg Oden (someone who is elite both offensively and defensively).
ytownfootball;697482 wrote:A lot closer than I think? You mean a lot closer than YOU think...lol
Looking at those stats they're statistically in a dead heat, but you claim him (Sully) to not be elite?
Correct. No one is denying that.thedynasty1998;697498 wrote:Sullinger is as good of a player as there is in the country.
Also correct. However, because a 1 is more important than a 5 (unless that 5 is elite, ie Duncan or Oden) their (Sully, Craft) importance to the team is pretty equal, regardless of skill level (in which Sully >> Craft).thedynasty1998;697498 wrote:We are arguing whether Craft is a top 5 PG in the Big 10.
lhslep134;697561 wrote:Dynasty,
I'm talking once or twice in a generation elite. Oden was that. Sully is not.
Hb31187;697322 wrote:Theres like 6 or 7 other guards with Crafts ball handling skills at pg in the big 10. There is 1 other big with a skill set even close to Sullys in the big 10