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Feb 16, 2011 10:24 AM
I have done my fair share of teacher bashing, but this is ridiculous. IMO, this is one reason our education system is eroding. The softening of the U.S. because kids can't take a tongue-lashing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_on_hi_te/us_teacher_suspended_blog
Feb 16, 2011 10:24am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:26 AM
That's dumb.
Feb 16, 2011 10:26am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:27 AM
The original post:
I'm being a renegade right now, living on the edge and, um, blogging AT work.
However, as I'm blogging about work stuff, I give myself a free pass of conscience.


I'm in the process of entering grades, and also need to enter comments for the grades. I used to take a lot of time with this procedure, choosing just the right comment(s) for my students. If I put a negative one, I'd also put a positive one to temper it. (When I was in school, I hated when I got the same 2 or 3 comments from my teachers. It felt so insincere.)


(For the record, my computer froze and had to be shut down at work; when I rebooted, I didn't bother signing back on to finish this as other things to do came up. At present, then, I'm not being a renegade at all, as I'm writing this at my kitchen table.)


Anyway, as I was saying, when I was first teaching, I put a lot of time and effort into the comments because I felt it was a great way to communicate the students' efforts. Then it got to be a complete pain in the ass, just one more thing standing between me and being done the report cards, and suddenly I realized why I'd always gotten the same comments from my teachers: they didn't want to do them any more than I do. (I refuse to believe the alternative reason that I'll explore momentarily.)


Also, as the kids get worse and worse, I find that the canned comments don't accurately express my true sentiments about them. So now I pretty much choose "Cooperative in Class" for every kid (or, in some instances, will speak in other codes. For instance, if they talk a lot, I'll put "is easily distracted" or "talks persistently"; if it's a kid that has no personality, I'll put "ability to work independently"). For some kids, though, my scornful feelings reach such fever pitch that I have a hard time even putting "cooperative in class" and have, sadly, had some kids for which none of the comments fit. (Again, this was NOT me. It couldn't have been. I was a delight!!)


Thus, for this blog, I will list the comments I'd like to see added to the canned comment list, as an accurate reflection of what we really want to say to these parents. Here they are, in no particular order:



Concerned your kid is automaton, as she just sits there emotionless for an entire 90 minutes, staring into the abyss, never volunteering to speak or do anything.

Seems smarter than she actually is.

Has a massive chip on her shoulder.

Too smart for her own good and refuses to play the school 'game' such that she'll never live up to her true potential here.

Has no business being in Honors.

A complete and utter jerk in all ways. Although academically ok, your child has no other redeeming qualities.

Lazy.

Shy isn't cute in 11th grade; it's annoying. Must learn to advocate for himself instead of having Mommy do it.

One of the few students I can abide this semester!

Two words come to mind: brown AND nose.

Dunderhead.

Complainer.

Gimme an A. I. R. H. E. A. D. What's that spell? Your kid!

There is such a thing as too loud in oral presentations. We shouldn't need earplugs.

Att-i-tude!

Nowhere near as good as her sibling. Are you sure they're related?

I won't even remember her name next semester if I see her in the hall.

Asked too many questions and took too long to ask them. The bell means it's time to leave!

Has no business being in Academic.

Rat-like.

Lazy asshole.

Just as bad as his sibling. Don't you know how to raise kids?

Sneaky, complaining, jerkoff.

Frightfully dim.

Dresses like a street walker.

Whiny, simpering grade-grubber with an unrealistically high perception of own ability level.

One of the most annoying students I've had the displeasure of being locked in a room with for an extended time.

Rude, beligerent, argumentative fuck.

Tactless.

Weirdest kid I've ever met.

Am concerned that your kid is going to come in one day and open fire on the school. (Wish I was kidding.)

I didn't realize one person could have this many problems.

Your daughter is royalty. (The Queen of Drama)

Liar and cheater.

Unable to think for himself.

I hear the trash company is hiring...

Utterly loathsome in all imaginable ways.

I called out sick a couple of days just to avoid your son.

There's no other way to say this: I hate your kid.

These comments, I think, would serve me well when filling out the cards. Only, I don't think parents want to hear these truths.


Thus, the old addage... if you don't have anything nice to say...


...say "cooperative in class."
Feb 16, 2011 10:27am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:28 AM
dwccrew;680528 wrote:I have done my fair share of teacher bashing, but this is ridiculous. IMO, this is one reason our education system is eroding. The softening of the U.S. because kids can't take a tongue-lashing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_on_hi_te/us_teacher_suspended_blog
Nothing different then posting something on your company website. Very inappropriate and poor judgment on her part.
Feb 16, 2011 10:28am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:37 AM
gorocks99;680533 wrote:The original post:

If this is correct, she should be fired, not suspended.
Feb 16, 2011 10:37am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:39 AM
Bigdogg;680535 wrote:Nothing different then posting something on your company website. Very inappropriate and poor judgment on her part.

Agreed, if she thought her kids were that bad she should have gave the kids 10x more homework and let the kids know it wasn't going to stop until they cared.
Feb 16, 2011 10:39am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:42 AM
gorocks99;680533 wrote:The original post:

I must have missed this in the article I posted or maybe it was somewhere else. If this is true, I may change my tune a bit. She shouldn't be blogging in class at all. On her home time is her thing, but at school she should be focused on her job.
Feb 16, 2011 10:42am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:43 AM
"Munroe has hired an attorney, who said that she had the right to post her thoughts on the blog and that it's a free speech issue. The attorney, Steven Rovner, said the district has led Munroe to believe that she will eventually lose her job."

Free speech my ass. If I start a blog and say things like, "Client X is the biggest jerk in the world", "Client Y is the dumbest prick on the planet", and "Client Z might as well quit the business because they will fail anyway" - I'd never work again, even if I'm right.

If gorocks' post is accurate this woman isn't a martyr, she's a completely clueless person who has no business being in the classroom.
Feb 16, 2011 10:43am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:44 AM
This was completely inappropriate.

For the record, I don't disagree with many of her assessments. My wife is a teacher, and I get the brunt of a lot of her frustration about the kids in her class.

But using an outlet in which your identity is know in order to vent to this degree was inappropriate. If she needed to vent this, an anonymous blog would have sufficed just as well.
Feb 16, 2011 10:44am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:47 AM
She probably deserves to be fired, but my goodness it was hilarious to read!
Feb 16, 2011 10:47am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:48 AM
Also, for whatever reason, this topic reminded me of this:



Sorry, but free speech means you are protected from being disciplined by a government entity. Doesn't mean your dumbass remarks can't be grounds to fire you. Sorry.
Feb 16, 2011 10:48am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:49 AM
She did not use her full name, identify kids or her school. It's poor judgement given that everyone knows teachers can't do that. But I really don't have a problem with it.
Feb 16, 2011 10:49am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:51 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;680563 wrote:"Munroe has hired an attorney, who said that she had the right to post her thoughts on the blog and that it's a free speech issue. The attorney, Steven Rovner, said the district has led Munroe to believe that she will eventually lose her job."

Free speech my ass. If I start a blog and say things like, "Client X is the biggest jerk in the world", "Client Y is the dumbest prick on the planet", and "Client Z might as well quit the business because they will fail anyway" - I'd never work again, even if I'm right.

If gorocks' post is accurate this woman isn't a martyr, she's a completely clueless person who has no business being in the classroom.

he isnt calling out the kids by names though..but i do agree some of the hypothetical comments by the teacher are down right immature. "lazy asshole, i hear the trash company is hiring, no business being in honors," the teacher needs to grow up. seems like she really hates her job.
Feb 16, 2011 10:51am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:52 AM
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Feb 16, 2011 10:52am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:52 AM
I really don't mind what she said. It was on a personal blog and she didn't name names. I suppose I can understand why the parents and students are upset but this doesn't bother me. At all.
Feb 16, 2011 10:52am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:52 AM
I have no problem with her being suspended and she probably should be fired. She just sounds like a complainer. Instead of, oh, I don't know, actually doing something about these problem children, like talking to their parents or trying something different to motivate them, she posts a blog. Posting a blog complaining about something is about as passive-aggressive as it gets. It doesn't do anything to contribute to a solution, it just complains about the problem. If you need to vent to help you deal with issues like this that's perfectly fine, and journaling is a perfectly healthy practice, but she should have had the tact to not make this public. After reading it I feel like she was one of those students whose self perception was far different that the reality of who she was/is.

The main issue here isn't what she said but how she said it. She posted this online, admitted that she started writing it at work, and used profanity. My guess is that clearly violates her contract about being a positive representation of the school. I hope that she wanted to get out of the academic field, because she'll probably be fired and will find it very difficult to get another teaching job.
Feb 16, 2011 10:52am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:53 AM
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Feb 16, 2011 10:53am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:54 AM
Pick6;680575 wrote:he isnt calling out the kids by names though..but i do agree some of the hypothetical comments by the teacher are down right immature. "lazy asshole, i hear the trash company is hiring, no business being in honors," the teacher needs to grow up. seems like she really hates her job.

Doesn't matter if she calls the kids by name. If she has made her own identity known, then to the administration, it likely doesn't matter which student she's talking about.

I think she's right, but I also think she deserves to be fired.
Feb 16, 2011 10:54am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:54 AM
'he isnt calling out the kids by names though."

Neither did I, I'd still get fired by even mentioning Client X, Y and Z without using their names - if they found about it they'd all assume they were Client X, Y or Z. This woman's job might be the least of her concerns - a parent is going to be pissed about this, and rightfully so.
Feb 16, 2011 10:54am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:54 AM
...this why people need to think b/4 they type & hit send.
Feb 16, 2011 10:54am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:56 AM
"The main issue here isn't what she said but how she said it. She posted this online, admitted that she started writing it at work, and used profanity. "

Exactly.

"I'm being a renegade right now, living on the edge and, um, blogging AT work.
However, as I'm blogging about work stuff, I give myself a free pass of conscience."

Probably should have stopped there honey. Be a renegade all you want, just don't expect your employer to appreciate it.
Feb 16, 2011 10:56am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:57 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;680582 wrote:'he isnt calling out the kids by names though."

Neither did I, I'd still get fired by even mentioning Client X, Y and Z without using their names - if they found about it they'd all assume they were Client X, Y or Z. This woman's job might be the least of her concerns - a parent is going to be pissed about this, and rightfully so.

Would that be because of client-attorney privelage though or are you saying in general?
Feb 16, 2011 10:57am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:57 AM
what a dumb slut
Feb 16, 2011 10:57am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:57 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;680585 wrote:"The main issue here isn't what she said but how she said it. She posted this online, admitted that she started writing it at work, and used profanity. "

Exactly.

"I'm being a renegade right now, living on the edge and, um, blogging AT work.
However, as I'm blogging about work stuff, I give myself a free pass of conscience."

Probably should have stopped there honey. Be a renegade all you want, just don't expect your employer to appreciate it.

Agreed, why would you do this while at work? More importantly, why would you admit to doing this at work?
Feb 16, 2011 10:57am