LJ;689889 wrote:While not "a lot" of money, it surly is a comfortable amount for a 22 year old single income single person in Columbus.

Gblock;689892 wrote:well those are two different statements. that is comfortable if your 22 and single. if your 40 with a family and want to buy a house and pay for daycare it's not. and under no circumstances should the LOT have been in capital letters imo

LJ;689896 wrote:I know people who own houses and raise families on $50k in Columbus just fine, they don't live in the ghetto either.

LJ;689908 wrote:With tax credits, someone raising a family on $45k would be nearly the same as someone making $50k. But I don't personally know anyone making $45k and rasing a family. I am merely commenting on the statements orig. given. That it's not "a lot" but comfortable, and that in WK's distrcit, starting salary is "Starting teacher salary in my district with a Master's Degree and no experience is $43,734 also with no bonus"

wkfan;689924 wrote:not too sure how many people graduate from college...then graduate school...and are 22, but OK.

LJ;689927 wrote:My bad, I honestly missed the "Master's" part.

But still, 25 years old, not a bad salary. Veterinarians are 26 with $200k in debt and 8 years of school and start at an average of $48k.

LJ;689927 wrote:My bad, I honestly missed the "Master's" part.

But still, 25 years old, not a bad salary. Veterinarians are 26 with $200k in debt and 8 years of school and start at an average of $48k.

O-Trap;689811 wrote:

Gblock;689750 wrote:well i still have to pay my bills when i dont have money...i cant call the electric company and say hey i wont be paying this month...my doctor doesnt slash his prices just cause im struggling, neither did my lawyer. i have to find the money somewhere. if there is no money to be paid how can i negotiate?

They have to pay their obligations as well, which is probably why it is wise for them not to lock themselves into a financial contractual obligation to pay something they cannot afford to pay (which is what many districts have been forced to do). The difference with you is, you're able to find money elsewhere with things like odd jobs, weekend jobs, summer jobs, selling things, etc. The district doesn't really have the option of doing some private enterprise work on the side to suppliment their funds.

wkfan;689866 wrote:Huh....I gess the topic of salary is all relative.......

Your 'first year associates' are making $105,000 with no bonus. More than likely just out of law school...3 years removed from undergrad.

Starting teacher salary in my district with a Master's Degree and no experience is $43,734 also with no bonus.....with a Master's degree and no experience, likely 2 years out of undergrad. The max is $94,815 with a Masters Degree, 45 additional graduate hours (a PhD without the thesis) and 28 years on the job.

Gblock;689933 wrote:i need to find those vets because ive never seen anyone come out of the vet without a crazy high vet bill.

O-Trap;689926 wrote:My statement was specifically for a "starting salary." If you're 40, with a family, you're right.

However, a married couple living on a budget of a $38,000 combined income is more than doable (wife and I have been evidence of that), and even allows for a few luxuries (we each have hobbies that cost money, plus we have date nights regularly).



It's completely doable (though, admittedly, it's easier in lower-income areas).



I actually know several families with a household income of $45K or less. It requires a sizable amount of frugality (and by that, I don't mean things like picking trash), but that doesn't mean it's not doable. It's very doable in fact.

LJ;689876 wrote:I think striking is ridiculous to begin with.

Gblock;689937 wrote:no one ever said it wasnt "do able" just said it wasnt "a lot"

LJ;689927 wrote:My bad, I honestly missed the "Master's" part.

But still, 25 years old, not a bad salary. Veterinarians are 26 with $200k in debt and 8 years of school and start at an average of $48k.

queencitybuckeye;689939 wrote:The best descripion of a strike I've heard is that it's an attempt to increase egg production by strangling the chicken.

wkfan;689949 wrote:Not sure why you through the Vet into the discussion. It's really not germaine as that is THEIR choice.

Seems to me that Vet school is overpriced....why no uproar about that??

wkfan;689949 wrote:Not sure why you through the Vet into the discussion. It's really not germaine as that is THEIR choice.

Seems to me that Vet school is overpriced....why no uproar about that??

wkfan;689949 wrote:Not sure why you through the Vet into the discussion. It's really not germaine as that is THEIR choice.

Seems to me that Vet school is overpriced....why no uproar about that??

dwccrew;689934 wrote:Exactly what I was going to respond with.



A few things, first year associates put in more time than teachers, I am willing to bet this to be true. From what I have read from FFT and MB over the years on JJ and on here, those associates easily put 80+ hours in a week at the office alone, not too mention what they do at home for work. I know that there is no teacher (that I have ever met and I have a lot of friends that are teachers) that have ever had to put that much time in 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year.

Furthermore, the amount of debt on school is much more for an attorney. Most of the time they foot the bill for their schooling, often teachers get assistance from the district they work in for continuing education. Not really comparable IMO.

Gblock;689955 wrote:does seem dumb...who the eff would sign up to go 200000 in debt to get a job that pays less than 50000. seems like you would be better off for that kinda money to become a medical doctor or dentist/surgeon or lawyer.

LJ;689957 wrote:And it's a teacher's choice to become a teacher. You can't use that argument that it is their choice, when a teacher has just the same opportunities to make their choices.

Also, it usually costs a good amount of money to become, ya know, a doctor.

wkfan;689961 wrote:yea...but it's a doctor of animals......not like its a doctor of something important, like people.

LJ;689960 wrote:Because it is what they want to do, just like a teacher wants to become a teacher.

Gblock;689955 wrote:does seem dumb...who the eff would sign up to go 200000 in debt to get a job that pays less than 50000. seems like you would be better off for that kinda money to become a medical doctor or dentist/surgeon or lawyer.

O-Trap;689971 wrote:(
(2) $50K is just the average STARTING pay, if I read his post correctly. Doesn't mean that's the average over a career.

Gblock;689975 wrote:that was my point i was trying to make it subtly....obviously vets make A LOT more than teachers thus making his comparison not exactly applicable as many of the comments on this thread

LJ;689978 wrote:Average overall salary for an established vet is 88k

FALLSGUY;687895 wrote:I'll keep saying. Public employees have taken PAY CUTS for the last 2 years. And, they have been paying more for hospitaliztaion. Where would you like to start?