WebFire;765120 wrote:Uh, ya. Along with many other public AND private first year jobs (My first IT job was on a helpdesk. Like $7/hr). Look beyond the first couple years and teachers are paid just fine.
WebFire;765120 wrote:Uh, ya. Along with many other public AND private first year jobs (My first IT job was on a helpdesk. Like $7/hr). Look beyond the first couple years and teachers are paid just fine.
sleeper;765125 wrote:I lol'd at that comment too.
Let's not even add in the fact that teachers are only working for 9 months a year(and that doesn't even include all the countless breaks and snow days they get).
sleeper;765125 wrote:I lol'd at that comment too.
Let's not even add in the fact that teachers are only working for 9 months a year(and that doesn't even include all the countless breaks and snow days they get).
Al Bundy;765219 wrote:Most teachers put in much more work than that. However maybe your teachers did put in the bare minimum and that is why it took you a couple of extra years to complete that four year degree.
No, just unions. Interesting article on how non union public employees wont be effected by SB5. Also how this may not save cities any money like SB5 supporters claim.WebFire;764972 wrote:Wow. You think this is about attacking teachers?
Did this job require a degree to start then a masters degree later?WebFire;765120 wrote:Uh, ya. Along with many other public AND private first year jobs (My first IT job was on a helpdesk. Like $7/hr). Look beyond the first couple years and teachers are paid just fine.
Stop using common sense. Clearly you are just uneducated.georgemc80;764671 wrote:Changing the pay structure is something that cannot be done with one piece of legislation over a summer or year. That kind of fundamental change needs no less than a decade to study, formulate, debug and finally implement. Even then, a threshold of implementation would have to be put in place. (Ten years and less experience would have to work under the new system.) Radical change and solid public education are not a mixture for success.
I don’t know, I wasn’t born :/CenterBHSFan;764739 wrote:How did teachers, firefighters, etc. manage their employment before public jobs unionized?
I don't know, but I think it would be interesting to find out.
I've asked this question before, but nobody seems to want to be "the one" to answer it.
georgemc80;764671 wrote: Radical change and solid public education are not a mixture for success.
Glory Days;765333 wrote: Did this job require a degree to start then a masters degree later?
WebFire;765367 wrote:My career path certainly requires a BA. I see where you are trying to go. If you think you can jump right out of college and get the better jobs, you are mistaken. Think of the helpdesk job as my student teaching.
Most people when they have earned their degree do not have full families to support. They have yet to prove their work ethic other than earning their degree. They have yet to gain valuable experience. These people should be paid considerably less than those that have proven themselves and gained valuable experience in their field. It leaves a lot more funds to pay those with the aforementioned qualities. That likely have the whole family to support.BRF;765630 wrote:Ah, I see that the SB5 proponents are now telling the stories of how rough they had it starting out, along with the old mud slinging against teachers and what they do. I got to read some nice retorts, though.
The kid ate the spinach and it was good for him. When he grew up he found out Mom was right.BRF;765630 wrote:I keep thinking about a mother saying to the kid: "Eat your spinach, because it's good for you!"
Al Bundy;765373 wrote:except you got paid at the helpdesk and student teachers pay tuition to do it.
BRF;765630 wrote:Ah, I see that the SB5 proponents are now telling the stories of how rough they had it starting out, along with the old mud slinging against teachers and what they do. I got to read some nice retorts, though.
I keep thinking about a mother saying to the kid: "Eat your spinach, because it's good for you!"
Ah, ha ha. I was waiting for that response! Actually, I like spinach. But, as many of us know, mother does not always "know what's best"!majorspark;765676 wrote:
The kid ate the spinach and it was good for him. When he grew up he found out Mom was right.
I said some starting teachers with a family are near the poverty level. I know this data is 3 years, but even if the starting salary inceased by 3% (highly unlikely with the economy the last 3 years), lower end starting teachers are still near the poverty level if they have a family of four. http://www.ohea.org/beginning-teacher-salariesmajorspark;765691 wrote:An employee (public or private ) single and starting out making $30,000 would be nearly 3 times the federal poverty limit. Whoever said they are getting paid near poverty was not thinking very clearly.
US poverty guidelines
Family size (1) - $10,830
Family size (2) - $14,570
Family size (3) - $18,310
Family size (4) - $22,050
Family size (5) - $25,790
Family size (6) - $29,530
Family size (7) - $33,270
Family size (8) - $37,010
https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/downloads/POV10Combo.pdf
Right......right....Einstein. It is even written in the OP!dwccrew;764910 wrote:Didn't Shannon Jones sponsor the SB5 legislation, not Gov. Kasich?
Al Bundy;765703 wrote:I said some starting teachers with a family are near the poverty level. I know this data is 3 years, but even if the starting salary inceased by 3% (highly unlikely with the economy the last 3 years), lower end starting teachers are still near the poverty level if they have a family of four. http://www.ohea.org/beginning-teacher-salaries
dwccrew;765718 wrote:I'd like to know how many teachers starting out have a family of 4. Even if they do, this assumes 1) their spouse isn't working or 2) they don't have a second job (many of my teacher friends have a second job just because they have the spare time i.e. summers and weekends). Your argument is weak because you are making an assumption that a 1st year teacher would have to support a family of 4 by him/herself. I doubt this is often the case.
I see that the "sides" are now being defined. That is good.WebFire;765681 wrote:Actually, it was your side that started this conversation about 1st year teachers being paid near poverty. Or did you forget?
majorspark;765676 wrote:Most people when they have earned their degree do not have full families to support. They have yet to prove their work ethic other than earning their degree. They have yet to gain valuable experience. These people should be paid considerably less than those that have proven themselves and gained valuable experience in their field. It leaves a lot more funds to pay those with the aforementioned qualities. That likely have the whole family to support.
i thought you non union people were smarter than that