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Jan 28, 2011 11:59 AM
For every one Stephen Curry or Fredette theres like 4 Morris Almonds, Adam Morrisons, Aubrey Colemans ect.

I dont deny that Jimmer is good, or that talent is spreading out. But theres no way you can possibly convince me that Fredette would be scoring at the clip he is right now in a big league. He's getting media attention thats true, but if OSU keeps this up itll be hard to not give Sully POY
Jan 28, 2011 11:59am
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Jan 28, 2011 12:12 PM
You don't think teams are throwing everything they have to stop Jimmer? The dude is a scorer, and it's even more impressive that he's doing it without a great supporting cast.
Jan 28, 2011 12:12pm
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Jan 28, 2011 12:14 PM
Im aware teams are throwing everything they have at him, Just most of the teams they play dont have much TO throw at him
Jan 28, 2011 12:14pm
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Jan 28, 2011 12:15 PM
centralbucksfan;656440 wrote:I couldn't agree more. D1 basketball is big time basketball no matter where your at. Is the MW as good as the Big East, Big Ten or ACC? Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean a kid can't do what he is doing. He may not get his 40 as he is, but he would still be getting his 20+ per game. Freddette is flat out good, and he is getting PLENTY of media attention. Right now, he is the POY. That could change, but I suspect it won't.
BTW, there was a thread started earlier in the season on the OC about the best player. I said then it was Jimmer. Watched him play enough last year to realize he is flat out very good.


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Jan 28, 2011 12:15pm
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Jan 28, 2011 12:27 PM
Just most of the teams they play dont have much TO throw at him
That's BS. Jimmer scored 33 against Arizona and 25 against UCLA. What do you think they threw at him??
Jan 28, 2011 12:27pm
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Jan 28, 2011 12:37 PM
All this being said. He is still a 2nd round projection. He will be lucky to have a Steve Kerr/John Paxon type of career in the Association. He could be an offensive spark off the bench for short spurts. Never be a starter in the NBA.
Jan 28, 2011 12:37pm
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Jan 28, 2011 12:52 PM
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Jan 28, 2011 12:52 PM
september63;656558 wrote:All this being said. He is still a 2nd round projection. He will be lucky to have a Steve Kerr/John Paxon type of career in the Association. He could be an offensive spark off the bench for short spurts. Never be a starter in the NBA.

Hmmm, Kerr and Paxson were NBA starters for many years in the NBA. Never say never.
Jan 28, 2011 12:52pm
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Jan 28, 2011 1:06 PM
september63;656558 wrote:All this being said. He is still a 2nd round projection. He will be lucky to have a Steve Kerr/John Paxon type of career in the Association. He could be an offensive spark off the bench for short spurts. Never be a starter in the NBA.

Someone on twitter (ESPN draft guy, maybe Chad Ford) the other day had him 15th on his big board.
Jan 28, 2011 1:06pm
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Jan 28, 2011 1:23 PM
Prescott;656535 wrote:That's BS. Jimmer scored 33 against Arizona and 25 against UCLA. What do you think they threw at him??

There is a difference between most and all....reading comprehension would suit you well.
Jan 28, 2011 1:23pm
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Jan 28, 2011 1:46 PM
Hb31187;656464 wrote:For every one Stephen Curry or Fredette theres like 4 Morris Almonds, Adam Morrisons, Aubrey Colemans ect.

I dont deny that Jimmer is good, or that talent is spreading out. But theres no way you can possibly convince me that Fredette would be scoring at the clip he is right now in a big league. He's getting media attention thats true, but if OSU keeps this up itll be hard to not give Sully POY

Adam Morrison is a good counter, but typically (at least myself) just uses the eye test. Jimmer passes it for me with flying colors, as did Curry, Granger, Jonathon Bender (only HS player I saw other than LBJ play like 5 times that went straight to pro), Camby, Wally, Korver, Shawn Marion and Rubio. Those are some of the more recent guys I remeber watching a lot versus nobodies but they passed the eye-test and you knew they were special. Morrison I also did, and is one of the few flops I recall.

Some guys who got the attention, but I never thought would be any good are Dickau, Patrick O'Bryant, Nick Fazekas, Courtney Alexander, Cal Bowdler, etc.

Sometimes you can just tell when someone is able to play the game, and when someone is the beneficiary of playing versus less than stellar competition. Of course, as I say all this, I dont the Jimmer has anywhere near the quickness or above the rim ability to play in the NBA for more than a few seasons. BUT hes a baller and knows how to score. He can be that House, Speedy Claxton, etc type spark, but in a different way than those guys.
Jan 28, 2011 1:46pm
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Jan 28, 2011 1:53 PM
There is a difference between most and all....reading comprehension would suit you well.
What evidence do you have to support your belief that Freddette doesn't go against very good defenders in most, if not all, of his games. If he has scored well against the defenders at UCLA and Arizona, but not scored well against the defenders at Creighton, Fresno State, and Hawaii, where is the evidence that he plays mostly against inferior defenders?

I am not sure about Freddete's NBA prospects, but that isn't what the thread is about. IMO, the defenders he faces are as good as defenders at the BCS schools. In many cases he is facing 22 year-old men, who have learned how to defend, and not 18 year-old boys, who earned their scholarships playing offense and not defense.Please don't try to tell me that the defenders at a Northwestern, an Iowa, a Penn State, or a Michigan are any better than what Freddette faces in the Mountain West.

IMO, BCS schools recruit offensive minded players and try to teach them to play defense. Mid-majors recruit athletes and try to teach them to play offense.

Freddetes' NBA future will not be dependent on him scoring the basketball. His future will be dependent on his ability to defend.Adam Morrison could score the ball in the NBA, but he couldn't defend because he lacked athleticism.
Jan 28, 2011 1:53pm
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Jan 28, 2011 2:16 PM
Laley23;656690 wrote:Adam Morrison is a good counter, but typically (at least myself) just uses the eye test. Jimmer passes it for me with flying colors, as did Curry, Granger, Jonathon Bender (only HS player I saw other than LBJ play like 5 times that went straight to pro), Camby, Wally, Korver, Shawn Marion and Rubio. Those are some of the more recent guys I remeber watching a lot versus nobodies but they passed the eye-test and you knew they were special. Morrison I also did, and is one of the few flops I recall.

Some guys who got the attention, but I never thought would be any good are Dickau, Patrick O'Bryant, Nick Fazekas, Courtney Alexander, Cal Bowdler, etc.

Sometimes you can just tell when someone is able to play the game, and when someone is the beneficiary of playing versus less than stellar competition. Of course, as I say all this, I dont the Jimmer has anywhere near the quickness or above the rim ability to play in the NBA for more than a few seasons. BUT hes a baller and knows how to score. He can be that House, Speedy Claxton, etc type spark, but in a different way than those guys.
The thing that most of those guys you mentioned have though is either real good size (Korver, Wally,Granger) or are explosive athletic (Camby early in his career, Marion, Bender before the knee injuries ect) with curry being the long exception pretty much. Now he might end up being another exception along with Curry and i'll eat crow if he is. I just dont see it. I could see him maybe being a Barrea or Claxton type if he catches a break and falls into the right situation with an NBA team.

And LOL i forgot all about Dickau and O'bryant. I just remembered another name too that got hyped up...Coppenrath from Vermont
Jan 28, 2011 2:16pm
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Jan 28, 2011 2:18 PM
Prescott;656701 wrote:What evidence do you have to support your belief that Freddette doesn't go against very good defenders in most, if not all, of his games. If he has scored well against the defenders at UCLA and Arizona, but not scored well against the defenders at Creighton, Fresno State, and Hawaii, where is the evidence that he plays mostly against inferior defenders?

You think if he played against UCLA/Arizona defenders night in and out that it wouldnt average out? He had 2 damn good games against them, but if he played in a big conference night in and out you dont think they tend to have more athletic, bigger bodied guards to throw at him and slow him down?
Jan 28, 2011 2:18pm
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Jan 28, 2011 2:29 PM
Hb31187;656722 wrote:
And LOL i forgot all about Dickau and O'bryant. I just remembered another name too that got hyped up...Coppenrath from Vermont

Haha, good call on Coppenraith.

There are so many guys that get tons of hype in March, but I was just mentioning the guys who have it all year. Vermont was a fun team to watch though!
Jan 28, 2011 2:29pm
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Jan 28, 2011 2:44 PM
He had 2 damn good games against them,
By his standards, he had average games against Arizona and UCLA.
but if he played in a big conference night in and out you dont think they tend to have more athletic, bigger bodied guards to throw at him and slow him down?
Some teams in the bigger conferences could offer more resistance, but many couldn't.
Jan 28, 2011 2:44pm
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Jan 28, 2011 2:47 PM
1.Jimmer Fredette


2.Kemba Walker
3.Jared Sullinger
Jan 28, 2011 2:47pm
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Jan 28, 2011 3:44 PM
First of all, Adam Morrison CANNOT score in the NBA. He has never shot above 37% from the field and has scored 600 points in the last 4 years.
Jan 28, 2011 3:44pm
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Jan 28, 2011 3:49 PM
september63;656794 wrote:First of all, Adam Morrison CANNOT score in the NBA. He has never shot above 37% from the field and has scored 600 points in the last 4 years.

Thats what we have all been saying.
Jan 28, 2011 3:49pm
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Jan 28, 2011 3:53 PM
That was for a long post Prescott made. Sorry. He said Morrison could score in the NBA but couldnt defend. I was saying he cant really do either.
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Jan 28, 2011 4:10 PM
First of all, Adam Morrison CANNOT score in the NBA. He has never shot above 37% from the field and has scored 600 points in the last 4 years.
He wasn't given the opportunity to score because he couldn't defend. He averaged 11.8 ppg his rookie year while shooting 37% from the field. Many rookies struggle with shooting percentages while they learn the NBA game.For example, Evan Turner is shooting just over 40% from the field.Morrison has ball skills , but not the athleticism required to defend in the NBA.

Morrison played 11 games against major D1 opponents his junior year and averaged 28.5 ppg. He scored 43 against Michigan State and Washington respectively and ended his career by scoring 24 points against Aaron Afflalo(a very good defender) and UCLA.

That is why I don't buy the notion that Jimmer Freddete would not be a prolific scorer in a major conference.
Jan 28, 2011 4:10pm
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Jan 28, 2011 5:13 PM
centralbucksfan;656587 wrote:Hey..thanks...for adding your typical NOTHING to a thread.
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Jan 28, 2011 10:08 PM
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Jan 28, 2011 11:15 PM
Laley23;656798 wrote:Thats what we have all been saying.
Kind of off topic but have you seen who is leading the leading Liberty in scoring?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/teams/lai/stats

Watched part of their game last night against UNC-Ashville and I didnt hear too much from him but it sounds like he had a good night and has had a good season. Surprised a bigger school didnt take a chance on him after the success of his brother.
Jan 28, 2011 11:15pm
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Jan 28, 2011 11:23 PM
How can anyone watch what Fredette has been doing and not be in awe? Those guys are all over him on a great and athletic undefeated #4 team and he just scores 20 in the 1st half and 23 in the 2nd.

Everyone keeps saying Curry which is pretty fair...but my first viewing of Fredette reminded me of Chris Jackson from LSU in the very late 80's/early 90's.
Jan 28, 2011 11:23pm