Fly4Fun;635285 wrote:If Dan Gilbert simply quits on the team and sells it than yes. But if he does everything in his power and falls short of his goal, than I will be satisfied that he tried.

Did LeBron do everything in his power to win a ring BEFORE he left? Hell no, he chose to leave. Secondly, there is no denying that he quit on the team against the Celtics. Anyone who watched could see it happen.

Fly4Fun;635298 wrote:Haha, Gilbert wand the management were making every move they possibly could. People were always amazed with the trades they were making and giving away so little. That's an invalid criticism. You can't fault Gilbert or the management for that.

ohiotiger33;635292 wrote:^^ You are pissed because Lebron quit once. He also carried the team that is obviously TERRIBLE on his back for 8 years and got them pretty deep in the playoffs. He won some MVPs and tried his best to win you a title. The big problem was the front office never giving him teammates.

thedynasty1998;635306 wrote:Did he quit? Yes, maybe he did, in one game. That's inexcusable, and I can respect people being upset with him in that regard. But the fact remains, Cleveland still wanted him back after that game.

And he did do everything he could to bring a championship to Cleveland. He took them to the finals. He led what is proving to be a horrible team to 60 wins. He brought it every single night and absolutely carried the team.

That wasn't enough, but I don't think you can fault his effort in trying to win a championship. They just were not good enough.

wildcats20;635308 wrote:Getting Tawn instead of Amare or Bosh(even though I don't see him as a game changer) is not doing everything they can. I'm sorry, but the moves were there to make and they didn't pull the trigger. Losing Andy or JJ in the long run and getting an elite player in return is far better than not doing and losing Lebron.

Fly4Fun;635316 wrote:Quitting in one game in a 7 game series when it matters is quitting on the whole series and season and team. You can quit on a regular season game and it not be that big of a deal. But you can't just quit in the playoffs. And of course Cleveland wanted him back. They still believed in him because that's what fans do. They protect their guy.

And by leaving before his days were done as a player, and doing it without getting a ring in Cleveland... he quit on him. If you stop early and go somewhere else, that is QUITTING. There is no question he did not do everything to win a ring since he left before he could no longer play at meaningful level and not winning a ring.

wildcats20;635319 wrote:Take Chicago off that list. As well as OKC. If you take Rose(Bulls' best player) and KD(OKC best player) off those teams, they are back in the lottery.

thedynasty1998;635323 wrote:Regarding him quitting, it's inexcusable, but if what we hear is true, it is somewhat understandable. His teammates was having sex with his mom. How the hell do you expect him to respond?

He gave 8 years to Cleveland. Gilbert proved that he wasn't capable of putting players around him.

Fly4Fun;635342 wrote:If a teammate is having sex with his mother, you get pissed the guy who did it. But this is his job. You separate your personal life from your private life and do your job.

And as far as putting players around LeBron... the only way you can hold a position of the front office failing LeBron is if you believe that LeBron and Co. did not have a say. They had all kind of special perks and most people would realize that LeBron probably had a say in who he thought was best as well. I bet he was consulted on everything happening as far as structuring the team.

The front office did what they thought was best with some guidance from LeBron. LeBron left early. There is no comparing the two.

thedynasty1998;635317 wrote:Look at the other elite teams in the NBA. You remove their best player, and they are still good basketball teams.

Boston without Rondo and they are winning
Chicago loses Noah and are still successful
Oklahoma City has two stars and several other above average players
Utah has depth
San Antonio you can't even tell me who their best player is
Lakers are still a top 4 seed without Kobe

The Cavs without Lebron are the worst team in the NBA.

Fly4Fun;635342 wrote:If a teammate is having sex with his mother, you get pissed the guy who did it. But this is his job. You separate your personal life from your private life and do your job.

And as far as putting players around LeBron... the only way you can hold a position of the front office failing LeBron is if you believe that LeBron and Co. did not have a say. They had all kind of special perks and most people would realize that LeBron probably had a say in who he thought was best as well. I bet he was consulted on everything happening as far as structuring the team.

The front office did what they thought was best with some guidance from LeBron. LeBron left early. There is no comparing the two.

thedynasty1998;635351 wrote:Regarding his mom. I said it was somewhat understandable, but not excusable. The whole team knew and kept it a secret. I mean it's his mom. Just wrong.


How did Lebron leave "early"? His contract was up and for years he said he was going to explore free agency. He did not leave "early". As for him being involved in personnel decisions, so what if he was? He's not the GM. That is Gilbert's fault for thinking that Lebron knows more than the guy he's paying to do that. That's just a poor excuse on failed personnel moves.

thedynasty1998;635351 wrote:Regarding his mom. I said it was somewhat understandable, but not excusable. The whole team knew and kept it a secret. I mean it's his mom. Just wrong.


How did Lebron leave "early"? His contract was up and for years he said he was going to explore free agency. He did not leave "early". As for him being involved in personnel decisions, so what if he was? He's not the GM. That is Gilbert's fault for thinking that Lebron knows more than the guy he's paying to do that. That's just a poor excuse on failed personnel moves.

Skyhook79;635347 wrote:If the Cavs still had the same roster Lebron's last year (West,Shaq,Z) and healthy(parker,Boobie,Powe,Verejo) and the same Coach Mike Brown minus Lebron they would be in the Playoffs easily in the Eastern Conf probally a 6 seed at worst.

Fly4Fun;635357 wrote:LeBron left early because he pormised to bring a championship to Cleveland before he would leave. He didn't bring a championship and he still has plenty of playing days left... so he left early. Simple.

thedynasty1998;635359 wrote:Shaq and Z really wouldn't be difference makers. Delonte was a free agent, so if the Cavs thought that highly of him they could have retained him (I understand the contract buyout).

Varejao just got hurt last week, so you can't use him.
Powe didn't play last year.
Boobie played sparingly last year and has played in 32 games out of 38
Parker has played in 34 games

Poor, poor excuse. So, you are telling me that the absence of Shaq, Z and Delonte, along with the head coach that everyone wanted fired accounts for a difference in 14 wins at this point? To be the 6 seed right now they would have to be 22-15.

Hell, 15 wins seems like a stretch for this team, which would put them in 8th.

Let's think before typing next time.

Y-Town Steelhound;635354 wrote:I think the big thing that both the Cavs as an organization and Cleveland as a city hopefully learned from the whole "LeBron Era" is that you can't put all of your eggs in one basket. You can't as an organization try to build solely around one player and let that player have so much control within the organization. Likewise you can't rest all your faith into one player because they might just screw your city/team on a one hour national television special. If the Cavs are going to rebuild back to not only a contender but a SERIOUS championship threat they are going to have to do it with multiple good players and not just one great player with multiple one dimensional good players around him.

thedynasty1998;635362 wrote:You are talking like a 14 year old girl again.

Y-Town Steelhound;635363 wrote:They also weren't trotting out Manny Harris, Alonzo Gee, Christian Eyenga, Samardo Samuels, and Ryan Hollins for decent minutes a night last year either, so maybe YOU are the one who should think before you type.

It's pretty obvious to me that the Cavs are tanking because they know it's the only way to become a contender again. As much as it sucks to watch games like last night, it's better for the long run state of the franchise. Not to mention the current roster is made up of complements to one player. That player is no longer here so the system doesn't work.