ptown_trojans_1;632079 wrote:Ahhh, the machines of both sides are in full swing.
Both are trying to discredit, disprove, delink each other or blame the other for influencing this kid.

All are missing the point of trying to address how to eliminate or reduce the lone wolf. How do we as a society, ensure that some members do not feel like outcasts? How do we move to instead of reporting after the fact on how strange he was, move to address outliers before they act?

Those are the things I believe we need to really focus on.

Before you go throwing both sides down the shitter on this one, perhaps you should take a step back and look at how this all started. It wasn't conservatives who came out immediately and began trying to link this to political rhetoric. It's been liberals, one after another, who have tried to turn this into something it is not.

Don't blame conservatives for defending themselves when they're being attacked by the media and public figures.

Skyhook79;632139 wrote:Your never going to eliminate the "lone wolf". There are Evil people through out the World and no program or social outreach would change their views or actions. I have my own beliefs on how to change the World but people in general do not want to pay the asking price.

Maybe not all, but at the very least help reduce the possibility of one and have the discussion on how to do that.

Writerbuckeye;632203 wrote:Before you go throwing both sides down the shitter on this one, perhaps you should take a step back and look at how this all started. It wasn't conservatives who came out immediately and began trying to link this to political rhetoric. It's been liberals, one after another, who have tried to turn this into something it is not.

Don't blame conservatives for defending themselves when they're being attacked by the media and public figures.

I'm not blaming anyone. It is just amazing how each side is focusing on each other and not the real issue.

This democrat strategist said back in November that Obama needs another Oklahoma so he can connect with the people like Clinton. Wow. This guy probably popped a political woody when this happened this weekend. What a dick.


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Gifford subscribed to Loughners Youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygdL1JYrXk&feature=player_embedded#!


this is getting wierd

What is appalling is that the left, and their media allies, always have to place blame on someone, or something, other than the perpetrator, as opposed to holding the individual accountable for his actions. Why is it always somebody else's fault when someone goes postal. Nowhere in our society is it acceptable to take another's life (with the exception of the abortion machine), so why does the left -- the party of 'no-personal-responsibility' -- continue to fail to hold individuals accountable for ALL their actions (or inactions), and try and blame others instead. Their failure to do so, and their failure to support swift capital punishment, is highly troubling, and perhaps contributory.

Writerbuckeye;632203 wrote:Before you go throwing both sides down the shitter on this one, perhaps you should take a step back and look at how this all started. It wasn't conservatives who came out immediately and began trying to link this to political rhetoric. It's been liberals, one after another, who have tried to turn this into something it is not.

Don't blame conservatives for defending themselves when they're being attacked by the media and public figures.

Started? It's continuing now. Look at Yahoo!'s front page. It is all Palin's fault. For what reason? There is none.

Per my earlier post, this is exactly Duke lacrosse 2.0, but even more disgusting.

Ironically, one of the dooshes at the forefront of politicizing the event is the farking Sheriff in charge of the case.

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Dupnik put on a stellar performance...and Megyn Kelly does an admirable job dismantling him.

2quik4u;632239 wrote:Gifford subscribed to Loughners Youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygdL1JYrXk&feature=player_embedded#!


this is getting wierd

That is odd. Why would a congress person subscribe to a nutjobs youtube channel? (It seems to me that they had some kind of interaction before this happened.)

The Sheriff boned this than as much as many of the New Orleans officials after Katrina. There was ZERO basis that this was politically motivated, yet he was the first to insinuate it was. What an assclown.

Manhattan Buckeye;632202 wrote:This thread (and this board) has done an admirable job in keeping it civil. I typically post on one other political board (alumni site) and they pretty much had to shut down over the weekend. It definitely leans more left than this board - but not ultra-left by any means. Within hours after the tragedy some of the even more moderate people were practically giddy with excitement in their rush to judgment - it was like Duke lacrosse 2.0.

When it turned out this guy was 22 years old - myself and a few other people pointed out that it likely wasn't political, just a disturbed young man. Our arguments were called "pathetic" and "biased" even though they didn't have any arguments, just baseless assumptions.

I agree- it's been pretty civil for the most part (now that I've read all 6 pages). It's just interesting to read the first page (when the news was still fresh) and see how a few immediately made some sweeping over-generalizations.

this will soon turn into browns vs. steelers soon somehow lol

fish82;632330 wrote:Ironically, one of the dooshes at the forefront of politicizing the event is the farking Sheriff in charge of the case.

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Dupnik put on a stellar performance...and Megyn Kelly does an admirable job dismantling him.

This guy is a hack. He needs to shut off the partisan rhetoric, shut the hell up, and do his job.

believer;632485 wrote:This guy is a hack. He needs to shut off the partisan rhetoric, shut the hell up, and do his job.

I agree. When I first read his comments a couple days ago, I cringed. It was exactly the wrong thing to say. He came across as someone with a political axe to grind and not as one of the leaders of an investigating agency.

One of the interviews with some of his friends revealed that he occasionally played video games.

How long until GTA, COD, or Halo is blamed for this by some douche politician or parent group?

fish82;632330 wrote:Ironically, one of the dooshes at the forefront of politicizing the event is the farking Sheriff in charge of the case.

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Dupnik put on a stellar performance...and Megyn Kelly does an admirable job dismantling him.

This friggin idiot "sheriff" (yes in quotations because I am using the term loosely) sounds like he's interviewing for his job, rather than answering for his job.

SHAME!!!

Predictably, Sheriff blames Rush Limbaugh:

http://www.ajc.com/news/limbaugh-arizona-sheriff-feud-801012.html

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik told ABC News that Limbaugh is "irresponsible" in the rhetoric he uses against elected officials.

"The kind of rhetoric that flows from Rush Limbaugh, in my judgment he is irresponsible, uses partial information, sometimes wrong information," Dupnik said in the interview. "[Limbaugh] attacks people, angers them against government, angers them against elected officials and that kind of behavior in my opinion is not without consequences."

Dupnik added that "the vitriol affects the [unstable] personality that we are talking about. You can say, ‘Oh, no it doesn't,' but my opinion is that it does."

Unbelievable. Look up "derelict public servant engaging in unheard-of levels of political hackery" in the dictionary, and you'll see this sheriff's picture there.

The sheriff is an incredible douche. The shooter is registered as independent.... this should clear up some of the tea party political motivation BS.




http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/10/accused-gunman-had-no-party-affiliation/?hpt=T2

OneBuckeye;633900 wrote:The sheriff is an incredible douche. The shooter is registered as independent.... this should clear up some of the tea party political motivation BS.




http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/10/accused-gunman-had-no-party-affiliation/?hpt=T2

It won't matter. The media has decided this is related to the Tea Party and conservatives protesting against Obama. It makes a nice story line and also demonizes a group most media folks despise, anyway (see Palin Derangement Syndrome). There is an agenda here, folks, don't kid yourselves. It may not be organized in the traditional sense, but one after another, those who believe in liberal causes are picking up the drumbeat.

The fact that the President has been guilty of some of the worst violence-tinged speech won't matter, either. They will protect him and continue doing what they can to make the Tea Party folks look like unhinged, violence-prone neanderthals.

Writerbuckeye;634082 wrote:The fact that the President has been guilty of some of the worst violence-tinged speech won't matter, either. They will protect him and continue doing what they can to make the Tea Party folks look like unhinged, violence-prone neanderthals.

I agree that it's dumb to blame the tea party/palin, but it seems to me that you're doing the exact same thing here blaming Obama. As far as I can tell this was just a nut job. No reason for anyone to try to gain points for their political party. (or I guess in this case demerits for their opponent.)

I Wear Pants;632498 wrote:One of the interviews with some of his friends revealed that he occasionally played video games.

How long until GTA, COD, or Halo is blamed for this by some douche politician or parent group?

Bam, music blame.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/10/AR2011011006333.html

I hope no kooks remember this add. Democrat Joe Manchin. Senators don't vote for cap and trade.

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MS, I was just talking about that this morning after hearing it discussed on our local radio talk show.

But, Manchin is a democrat. (I know, not supposed to point that out)

FatHobbit;634142 wrote:I agree that it's dumb to blame the tea party/palin, but it seems to me that you're doing the exact same thing here blaming Obama. As far as I can tell this was just a nut job. No reason for anyone to try to gain points for their political party. (or I guess in this case demerits for their opponent.)

I'm not blaming anyone -- just pointing out the hypocrisy of the whole situation. You've got Obama making these quips throughout his campaign and presidency, and the people who support him are the ones trying to make this into a political issue when it's not.

There seems to be a problem for some folks discerning the difference between pointing out the obvious duplicity of the left in attempting to focus this incident as being related to hate speech and defending the folks who are being targeted (yes I used that on purpose) by the left.

I've said all along (in fact was one of the first posters on here to say it) that this was a case of someone probably off his meds or in need of being diagnosed and medicated, and had no political motivations.

To paraphrase one of my favorite chris rock stand up routines..

Who gives a f*** what they was listening to or what they were watching, Whatever happened to Crazy? You cant be crazy no more?

Keeping with the MSM spirit of blaming right wingers for hate speech, here's a little quiz I stole from another site I visit.

Right Wing Hate Speech Quiz
Eugene Hovekamp
Test your knowledge now!

1. Which right-wing, fascist US president said "If they bring a knife, we bring a gun."?

A. Ronald Reagan
B. Barack Hussein Obama
C. Thomas Jefferson
D. Calvin Coolidge
Answer here

2. Which right-wing preacher called New York City "Hymietown" as a slur to Jews?

A. Jesse Jackson
B. Billy Graham
C. Jerry Falwell
D. Max Lucado
Answer here

3. Which right wing US senator accused the US Military of being no different than Pol Pot, the Soviets, or the Nazis?

A. Mitch McConnell
B. Jesse Helms
C. Jim DeMint
D. Dick Durbin
Answer here

4. Which Hitler-loving, fascist, right-wing actor wanted to stone to death (in the Biblical sense, not with marijuana) a US Congressman?

A. Tom Selleck
B. Bruce Willis
C. Alec Baldwin
D. Charlton Heston
Answer here

5. Which radio right winger wished that a US Senator and his grandchildren would contract the AIDS virus?

A. Nina Totenberg
B. Rush Limbaugh
C. Glenn Beck
D. Sean Hannity
Answer here

6. Which right-wing Senator and ex-member of the Ku Klux Klan once said "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side"? (Hint: This Senator also filibustered the Civil Rights bills of 1964 and voted against all of Pres. George W Bush's black and Hispanic judicial appointments)

A. Robert Taft
B. John Calhoun
C. Robert Byrd
D. Strom Thurmond
Answer here

7. Which rabid, right-wing presidential aide once recited the names of some political adversaries, shouting "DEAD!" after each one?

A. Murray Chotiner
B. H.R. Haldeman
C. John Ehrlichman
D. Rahm Emanuel
Answer here

8. Which seething, right wing terrorist/presidential friend tried to blow up the Pentagon, was on the FBI's most wanted list, and said later "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."

A. Bill Ayers
B. Bill Cosby
C. Bill Clinton
D. Will Rogers
Answer here

9. Which right-wing ex-president once said of Barack Obama "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee."?

A. Ronald Reagan
B. George H.W. Bush
C. Bill Clinton
D. George W. Bush
Answer here

10. Which right-wing Congressman once said to one of his constituents "I wouldn't dignify you by peeing down your leg."?

A. Pete Stark
B. Paul Ryan
C. Allen West
D. Thaddeus McCotter
Answer here

Grading scale

8-10: You are very well-informed.

5-7: Decent. However, you should consider finding more news sources.

2-4: That newspaper you read everyday is good for only two things; fish wrapping and bird cages.

0-1: Please do the rest of us a favor and emigrate to Cuba or North Korea