centralbucksfan;626919 wrote:Again, he is what he is, a shooter, period.

centralbucksfan;626897 wrote:Interesting because Diebler really isn't doing any more than what he did last year except for . . . shooting a better %.

thedynasty1998;626970 wrote:Why must you continue with this?
You think Turner wanted to dominate the ball and do everything for the team last year? No. I'm sure he wished he had someone else to score points when he couldn't. Diebler could have been more aggressive last year in attacking the rim, shooting more often and trying to setup Turner at times.

As for toughness, I think he could have been much much more aggressive in rebounding. Last year Turner was the main rebounder and was relied upon way too much to get all rebounds. This year you have Sullinger to get rebounds, as well as others, so that is not as big of an emphasis for a spot up shooter like Diebler.

Mulva;627159 wrote:Then wouldn't...



Qualify as doing much more (or at least much better) than he did last season? 9% better from 3 is a significant improvement when that's pretty much your entire role on the team. And he's been way more consistent this year than any of his previous 3 seasons. The Florida State game is really the only time his shot struggled.

centralbucksfan;627169 wrote:Your right, 9% is significant. But thats based on season ending stats. Before its said and done, he'll probably end up a few % higher, at best, as it will be much tougher going in the Big Ten. More consistant? Maybe a little. My point was not to rip on Diebler as I thought he did very well last year, contrary to Dynasty who constantly ripped on him. Yes, he is playing a "bit" better. But nothing significant IMO. But again, I am fine with that because he gives OSU exactly what is needed with this team, as he did with last years team.

CinciX12;627191 wrote:I think it might stay at that percentage. Somewhere in the 7-10. Sullinger being down low is waaay more significant than Lauderdale was.

thedynasty1998;626512 wrote:This is the second time someone has said "trap game" without knowing what it means. It's not a trap game. Iowa could have been considered a trap game.

Minnesota is a really good team and they are one of the two teams in the Big 10 that I think could really cause OSU problems. Hopefully the students show up and create an exciting atmosphere for the Bucks.

hoops23;627479 wrote:I know exactly what the term Trap game means.

It doesn't matter if the team is ranked 21 or unranked, it can still be a trap game, especially when you're talking about the #2 team.

I labeled it a trap game because OSU could have fallen into the trap of everything coming "easy" for them. That's why I felt it important to have a grind it out type of game against Iowa, to regain focus going into a game against a solid Minny squad.

You really try too hard to sound intelligent, and you usually fail.

Hb31187;627658 wrote:Home conference opener, top 25 team....and its a trap game? smh . And if everything had been coming easy to them, and they JUST had a grind it out close game with Iowa....wouldnt that in turn wake them up and make them realize its conference time?


As far as the game goes though, I see OSU winning by 10-12

centralbucksfan;627396 wrote:Turner drew as much attention on the outside to free up Deibler last year as Sullinger is doing on the inside. Teams had to be in the lanes in help position at all times with Turner...thus freeing up Deibler and others on the outside. I think Deibler is shooting over 50% from three currently. Thats exceptional. I think he will end up around 45%, give or take a percentage point. Which is still VERY, VERY good.

centralbucksfan;627169 wrote: But again, I am fine with that because he gives OSU exactly what is needed with this team, as he did with last years team.

hoops23;627479 wrote:I labeled it a trap game because OSU could have fallen into the trap of everything coming "easy" for them. That's why I felt it important to have a grind it out type of game against Iowa, to regain focus going into a game against a solid Minny squad.

Wooball;627936 wrote:I actually think Deibler may have a chance to maintain that percentage this year because it seems players shoot a better percentage from 3 when they receive the pass from the post, either from a kick out on an offensive rebound or a post passing out of a double team. When receiving the pass from the post they already have their feet and shoulders squared at the basket, as opposed to receiving a swing pass from the perimeter. I think that is a reason that Lighty is shooting the 3 at a higher percentage as well, 44% vs 38% from last year.

hoops23;627700 wrote:SMDH.

You just fucking made my point and probably don't even realize it. Thanks for backing me up LMAO.

I mean honestly, if you guys don't get what I'm trying to say there isn't much I can do. I'm not going to continue to argue in circles on this thread about something that doesn't even need to be argued about.

Wooball;627936 wrote:I actually think Deibler may have a chance to maintain that percentage this year because it seems players shoot a better percentage from 3 when they receive the pass from the post, either from a kick out on an offensive rebound or a post passing out of a double team. When receiving the pass from the post they already have their feet and shoulders squared at the basket, as opposed to receiving a swing pass from the perimeter. I think that is a reason that Lighty is shooting the 3 at a higher percentage as well, 44% vs 38% from last year.

centralbucksfan;628449 wrote:Valid point...but not buying into it totally. Turner was so good 1on1..that guys on the perimeter were open. He avg. 6 asst. per game. Sullinger currently avg 1.2 assist. So if you think its the kick out that is getting the shots, its not. The asst. are coming from Buford, Lighty and Craft...all over 3.5 asst per game. Players are getting similar shots they did last. Last year, Turner got attention, this year its in the post with Sullinger.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the presence of an offensive post compared to Turner doing it all from the PG position. And these guys have bought into it.

gerb131;629004 wrote:Going to be a tough game. If Minny can get the inside/outside combo going than they have a chance. Foul trouble will play a huge part in this game.

centralbucksfan;629011 wrote: OSU is one of, if not at the top of teams who foul less then anyone in the country. I believe last year they were #1 and are top 5 this year. Its something that Matta stresses to the team, not to foul. Obviously Sully is a "bit" prone to it..but it hasnt' been that big of an issue.

Wooball;628860 wrote:I agree that the passes aren't coming directly from the post. And dynasty and laley have explained other reasons as to why the 3pt % is up related to the post presence of Sullinger. The defense has to scramble much more and the rotations can get slowed, very similar to what the Orlando Magic have done the last few years with the presence of Dwight Howard (especially against the Cavs in 2009).

osu45804;629914 wrote:Kinda pumped for this game tomorrow... It'll be the first time I've gotten to see the new student section on TV & I Hope they are LOUD tomorrow