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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 1, 2011 5:44pm
Sounds like if players were able to be trading during that draft that the Falcons would have included Michael Jenkins in the package instead of a pick.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 1, 2011 6:24pm
Really? Thats interesting, where did you hear that BR?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
May 1, 2011 6:26pm
Not to be greedy, but I wouldn't really want Jenkins. He is not a number one...I think a true number one can make some of these other guys just as productive as Jenkins.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 1, 2011 6:50pm
Non;755850 wrote:There are so many web sites that the Browns fans on here look at every offseason and you post stuff about how the Browns are a team on the rise and they're doing so much right.
BR has posted this stuff for about five years straight.
Then comes the season and the Steelers kick butt again and the Browns stink and have to rebuild and change the coach and start over.
I'm sorry but this is true. And you know it.
Non;755903 wrote:I would think any site would reveal that the Steelers are the greatest! haha
They've had stretches where they've been among the best at scouting and drafting.
I would say presently they are not remarkable at drafting. Green Bay, New England and Baltimore are all better than the Steelers at drafting, but the Steelers are solid. The Steelers have made up for it some with finding undrafted free agents and probably most importantly their coaching and development. They have experienced coaches, especially on defense like LeBeau, linebackers coach Keith Butler, defensive line coach John Mitchell, who have all been there for many years.
Non;755913 wrote:I could remember being on the old site and the Browns fans were posting stuff about this time of year how they had the best breakout star (Braylon Edwards) and were the team on the rise, Savage had the blueprint to success....LOL
Then last year after a few decent weeks against New England, New Orleans and the Jets, the Browns were turning it around...LOL
The season ended with what should've been a 100-3 loss to the Steelers if the Steelers would've played the whole game.
Art Modell;756011 wrote:Excellent post. The Browns fans get all excited about the draft because well, they dont have anything else to be excited about. The truth is that Cleveland will win 5 or 6 games and the Steelers will be making another Super Bowl run.
Thanks for a whole lotta "no one gives a fuck" guys. Once again the two idiot trolls contribute nothing to a Cleveland thread. You 2 idiots seem to get lost all the time in these Cleveland threads. I will do you a favor and forward these posts to your steelers thread, but until next time follow these steps:
1. Click on the thread that says Pittsburgh Steelers.
2. Post in that thread.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 1, 2011 6:53pm
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
May 1, 2011 7:41pm
Chris Fedor is a joke. He is their fantasy guru and sucks at that. Other than stating the obvious my advice when he picks between two guys...take the other. He finished out of the playoffs in a league full of knr listeners
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 1, 2011 7:57pm
Mike Holmgren makes it clear: Cleveland Browns' draft day trade was 'the right thing'
Published: Sunday, May 01, 2011, 7:27 PM Updated: Sunday, May 01, 2011, 7:31 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Despite Mike Holmgren's March proclamation that he wanted a "home run hitter" in this draft, the Browns' president ended the weekend convinced the blockbuster trade with Atlanta was best for his restructuring team.
"It was absolutely the right thing to do for our team at this particular time," Holmgren said at Saturday's wrap-up press conference. "The trade was kind of an amazing trade when you count it up. Next year we've got a one and a four and it's what we needed."
The Browns traded the sixth pick in the first round to Atlanta for five picks: their first-round choice (27th) plus their second- and fourth-rounders this year and their first- and fourth-round choices in 2012.
The Falcons used the No. 6 pick on Alabama wide receiver Julio Jones, who was not believed to be among the Browns' top six players. The Browns then traded up from No. 27 to No. 21 with Kansas City, selecting Baylor defensive tackle Phil Taylor.
With the second- and fourth-round selections from Atlanta, the Browns picked North Carolina receiver Greg Little and Stanford fullback Owen Marecic. Little, the 59th pick overall, sat out all last season after accepting improper agent benefits, but has tremendous size and potential for the new West Coast offense.
Marecic, the 124th pick, is a punishing blocker who can also catch out the backfield -- vital for the new scheme. Marecic, who also starred at linebacker in college, will also be an immediate force on special teams.
"About every morning I'd come in [to the office of General Manager Tom Heckert] and I'd bang him a little bit to make sure that this is what he wanted to do," said Holmgren. "Finally he said, 'This is what I think I want to do.' It's a big deal because at pick six, there's going to be a good player there."
Holmgren acknowledged that trading back so far can be a buzz kill after all the hype.
"The hard part for you and for my family and anyone else watching the draft is you get to six, and it's 'Who are we going to pick?' and you say 'We're trading back to 27,' and everyone goes 'Ugh.' You wait and you wait and you wait and you see players come off the board, that's the hard part. But it was the right thing to do."
Holmgren scoffed at the notion that there might not be a draft next year, depending on what happens with the labor agreement.
"There will be a draft next year," he said. "I heard someone say, 'What if there's no draft?' Well, what if they take the air out of every football in the United States? Then we can all do something else."
He said he was thinking of a couple of guys when he made his "home run" statement, presumably one being Georgia wide receiver A.J. Green.
"Because of how the draft fell, we did the right thing, first of all," Holmgren said. "Secondly, in Little, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised if you don't know him very well. He's a young man who has a tremendous upside.
"A home-run hitter isn't necessarily everyone going out for a long one. Yards after a catch and a receiver's ability to break a tackle and move after the catch can be a home run of sorts. That's where one of his strengths is and I'm hopeful we added to our receiver pile."
The Browns weren't 100 percent sold on Jones at No. 6, in part because of concern over dropped passes. What's more, they may have saved themselves a bundle of money.
If the league ends up operating under 2010 rules -- with no rookie salary cap -- the savings will be substantial. Last year's No. 6 pick, Russell Okung, received a six-year deal worth $48.5 million, including $30 million guaranteed. The 21st pick, tight end Jermaine Gresham, received a five-year deal worth $15.8 million, with $9.6 million guaranteed.
"We're very fortunate to have an owner in Arthur Blank who is generous," Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "There aren't that many owners who would be in favor of moving up as far as we did. Financially, it's a bold move as well."
Blank also told the paper, "This is the kind of trade that a timid general manager couldn't make or wouldn't make. I would say to you that Thomas is not timid."
Heckert told Sports Illustrated's Peter King the night of the trade that they looked for a precedent.
"When we started talking about a trade this size about a week ago, we looked for a trade we might be able to pattern it after, and we found one back in 1995," Heckert told King. "Cleveland and the 49ers made a deal where the 49ers moved way up to take J.J. Stokes."
It was 1995, the Browns' last year in Cleveland before moving to Baltimore. The Browns had the 10th pick and the 49ers the 30th. Bill Belichick and Mike Lombardi were running the draft for the Browns. The 49ers traded their first-, third- and fourth-round picks in 1995 and first-rounder in 1996 to take Stokes, who averaged just 38 catches a year over nine seasons.
Belichick and Lombardi also whiffed, drafting duds with the first- and third-round picks: linebacker Craig Powell (three career starts) and defensive end Mike Frederick (12 starts). But when new Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome got his hands on the 1996 first-round pick, he used it on future Hall of Famer Ray Lewis.
Granted, the Falcons figure to be good this year and the 2012 first-rounder might be low. But Lewis was picked at No. 26.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/05/mike_holmgren_makes_it_clear_c_1.html
Published: Sunday, May 01, 2011, 7:27 PM Updated: Sunday, May 01, 2011, 7:31 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Despite Mike Holmgren's March proclamation that he wanted a "home run hitter" in this draft, the Browns' president ended the weekend convinced the blockbuster trade with Atlanta was best for his restructuring team.
"It was absolutely the right thing to do for our team at this particular time," Holmgren said at Saturday's wrap-up press conference. "The trade was kind of an amazing trade when you count it up. Next year we've got a one and a four and it's what we needed."
The Browns traded the sixth pick in the first round to Atlanta for five picks: their first-round choice (27th) plus their second- and fourth-rounders this year and their first- and fourth-round choices in 2012.
The Falcons used the No. 6 pick on Alabama wide receiver Julio Jones, who was not believed to be among the Browns' top six players. The Browns then traded up from No. 27 to No. 21 with Kansas City, selecting Baylor defensive tackle Phil Taylor.
With the second- and fourth-round selections from Atlanta, the Browns picked North Carolina receiver Greg Little and Stanford fullback Owen Marecic. Little, the 59th pick overall, sat out all last season after accepting improper agent benefits, but has tremendous size and potential for the new West Coast offense.
Marecic, the 124th pick, is a punishing blocker who can also catch out the backfield -- vital for the new scheme. Marecic, who also starred at linebacker in college, will also be an immediate force on special teams.
"About every morning I'd come in [to the office of General Manager Tom Heckert] and I'd bang him a little bit to make sure that this is what he wanted to do," said Holmgren. "Finally he said, 'This is what I think I want to do.' It's a big deal because at pick six, there's going to be a good player there."
Holmgren acknowledged that trading back so far can be a buzz kill after all the hype.
"The hard part for you and for my family and anyone else watching the draft is you get to six, and it's 'Who are we going to pick?' and you say 'We're trading back to 27,' and everyone goes 'Ugh.' You wait and you wait and you wait and you see players come off the board, that's the hard part. But it was the right thing to do."
Holmgren scoffed at the notion that there might not be a draft next year, depending on what happens with the labor agreement.
"There will be a draft next year," he said. "I heard someone say, 'What if there's no draft?' Well, what if they take the air out of every football in the United States? Then we can all do something else."
He said he was thinking of a couple of guys when he made his "home run" statement, presumably one being Georgia wide receiver A.J. Green.
"Because of how the draft fell, we did the right thing, first of all," Holmgren said. "Secondly, in Little, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised if you don't know him very well. He's a young man who has a tremendous upside.
"A home-run hitter isn't necessarily everyone going out for a long one. Yards after a catch and a receiver's ability to break a tackle and move after the catch can be a home run of sorts. That's where one of his strengths is and I'm hopeful we added to our receiver pile."
The Browns weren't 100 percent sold on Jones at No. 6, in part because of concern over dropped passes. What's more, they may have saved themselves a bundle of money.
If the league ends up operating under 2010 rules -- with no rookie salary cap -- the savings will be substantial. Last year's No. 6 pick, Russell Okung, received a six-year deal worth $48.5 million, including $30 million guaranteed. The 21st pick, tight end Jermaine Gresham, received a five-year deal worth $15.8 million, with $9.6 million guaranteed.
"We're very fortunate to have an owner in Arthur Blank who is generous," Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "There aren't that many owners who would be in favor of moving up as far as we did. Financially, it's a bold move as well."
Blank also told the paper, "This is the kind of trade that a timid general manager couldn't make or wouldn't make. I would say to you that Thomas is not timid."
Heckert told Sports Illustrated's Peter King the night of the trade that they looked for a precedent.
"When we started talking about a trade this size about a week ago, we looked for a trade we might be able to pattern it after, and we found one back in 1995," Heckert told King. "Cleveland and the 49ers made a deal where the 49ers moved way up to take J.J. Stokes."
It was 1995, the Browns' last year in Cleveland before moving to Baltimore. The Browns had the 10th pick and the 49ers the 30th. Bill Belichick and Mike Lombardi were running the draft for the Browns. The 49ers traded their first-, third- and fourth-round picks in 1995 and first-rounder in 1996 to take Stokes, who averaged just 38 catches a year over nine seasons.
Belichick and Lombardi also whiffed, drafting duds with the first- and third-round picks: linebacker Craig Powell (three career starts) and defensive end Mike Frederick (12 starts). But when new Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome got his hands on the 1996 first-round pick, he used it on future Hall of Famer Ray Lewis.
Granted, the Falcons figure to be good this year and the 2012 first-rounder might be low. But Lewis was picked at No. 26.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/05/mike_holmgren_makes_it_clear_c_1.html
grodt
Posts: 1,588
May 1, 2011 8:08pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/27243/vickers-surprised-browns-drafted-a-fullback
Odds are pretty good that Vickers is gone and I'm going to miss him. He had a great attitude and never gave anything less then 100%.
Odds are pretty good that Vickers is gone and I'm going to miss him. He had a great attitude and never gave anything less then 100%.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 1, 2011 8:15pm
grodt;756242 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/27243/vickers-surprised-browns-drafted-a-fullback
Odds are pretty good that Vickers is gone and I'm going to miss him. He had a great attitude and never gave anything less then 100%.
Best FB in the NFL. Just hope he doesn't wind up in Shitsburgh.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
May 1, 2011 8:57pm
I think PFT made a great point about the trade:
Clearly Atlanta is taking a huge risk because if Jones doesn't pan out that's the kind of trade that can set a franchise back for quite some time.
[url]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...amazing-trade/[/url]Regardless of the draft trade chart or any other device used for comparing picks, our reaction to the move was visceral. Is there a receiver currently in the NFL for whom a team would or should give up two first-round draft picks, a second-round pick, and two fourth-round draft picks? Maybe Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson.
Maybe.
Clearly Atlanta is taking a huge risk because if Jones doesn't pan out that's the kind of trade that can set a franchise back for quite some time.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
May 1, 2011 9:07pm
I like Vickers, but the past several seasons he became one-dimensional. He could block VERY well.
His hands turned to stone.
He never progressed as a runner.
You need someone more versatile in a West Coast offense, and I don't think Vickers would have been that guy. Also, don't fullbacks typically have a shorter shelf life in the NFL? Perhaps Vickers is more beat up than we realize, because he seemed to disappear in the offense last season, even when Hillis was running. If it wasn't something physical, then it was simply Mangini's horrid offense...
His hands turned to stone.
He never progressed as a runner.
You need someone more versatile in a West Coast offense, and I don't think Vickers would have been that guy. Also, don't fullbacks typically have a shorter shelf life in the NFL? Perhaps Vickers is more beat up than we realize, because he seemed to disappear in the offense last season, even when Hillis was running. If it wasn't something physical, then it was simply Mangini's horrid offense...
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 1, 2011 9:12pm
I hope you're kidding. Vickers is THE BEST in the NFL at his position.Writerbuckeye;756303 wrote:I like Vickers, but the past several seasons he became one-dimensional. He could block VERY well.
His hands turned to stone.
He never progressed as a runner.
You need someone more versatile in a West Coast offense, and I don't think Vickers would have been that guy. Also, don't fullbacks typically have a shorter shelf life in the NFL? Perhaps Vickers is more beat up than we realize, because he seemed to disappear in the offense last season, even when Hillis was running. If it wasn't something physical, then it was simply Mangini's horrid offense...
Art Modell
Posts: 2,338
May 1, 2011 9:18pm
BR1986FB;756251 wrote:Best FB in the NFL. Just hope he doesn't wind up in Shitsburgh.
If he cant play for a bottom feeder like the Clowns what makes you think he can play for a contender.SMH
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 1, 2011 9:27pm
Art Modell;756307 wrote:If he cant play for a bottom feeder like the Clowns what makes you think he can play for a contender.SMH
I see the little piece of shit got lost again. Click here, and you will be back home little guy. http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/threads/22671-Pittsburgh-Steelers-2011-offseason-and-draft-thread?p=756311&viewfull=1#post756311
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
May 1, 2011 9:47pm
Sheard, Pinkston, and Little have been blowin up twitter about Cleveland. Nice to see.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
May 1, 2011 9:59pm
Well looks like I didn't miss anything today....just 2 pages of shitty posts!
I loved this draft and I think all of the these guys will have a role on this team.....A lot of you guys didn't like the TE and FB pick, Jordan Cameron the TE is a FREAKISH Athlete, which is perfect for the WCO. He has no fear of catching the ball in traffic and has the agility and speed to get YAC, I think he is going to surprise a lot of people and who better to learn from than our leading receiver TE Ben Watson!
Greg Little is another freakish athlete with size and speed....the dude used to be a running back who will run over, around, and through you after making the catch.
Heckert is a draft genius and deserves a lot of credit.
I loved this draft and I think all of the these guys will have a role on this team.....A lot of you guys didn't like the TE and FB pick, Jordan Cameron the TE is a FREAKISH Athlete, which is perfect for the WCO. He has no fear of catching the ball in traffic and has the agility and speed to get YAC, I think he is going to surprise a lot of people and who better to learn from than our leading receiver TE Ben Watson!
Greg Little is another freakish athlete with size and speed....the dude used to be a running back who will run over, around, and through you after making the catch.
Heckert is a draft genius and deserves a lot of credit.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
May 1, 2011 10:06pm
Extremely excited about Little and Owen.
Little would have been talked about with the top WR's if he had played last season. Cleveland had a solid FB but I think they upgraded that position as Owen is a solid pass catcher, can take some carries plus open up holes for the Madden cover boy.
Little would have been talked about with the top WR's if he had played last season. Cleveland had a solid FB but I think they upgraded that position as Owen is a solid pass catcher, can take some carries plus open up holes for the Madden cover boy.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
May 1, 2011 10:56pm
This is as off-topic as it gets but I think it's something that BOTH Steeler and Browns fans (and every American) can agree on....Bin Laden is dead. Fucking greatness.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 1, 2011 11:15pm
killer_ewok;756416 wrote:This is as off-topic as it gets but I think it's something that BOTH Steeler and Browns fans (and every American) can agree on....Bin Laden is dead. Fucking greatness.
I will +1 you here. Might not see eye to eye on sports teams, but we are all fans of the USA!
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
May 1, 2011 11:30pm
like_that;756503 wrote:I will +1 you here. Might not see eye to eye on sports teams, but we are all fans of the USA!
Yessir.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 2, 2011 2:06am
USA USA USA!
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 2, 2011 5:03am
killer_ewok;756416 wrote:This is as off-topic as it gets but I think it's something that BOTH Steeler and Browns fans (and every American) can agree on....Bin Laden is dead. Fucking greatness.
Agreed
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
May 2, 2011 9:35am
So is UDFA season delayed due to the lockout? I just checked the post to see if it talked about any UDFA's we might have picked up and then remembered the lockout was back on.
Here is Rivals "All Undrafted Team". Wouldn't mind the Browns brining in any of those guys but if I had to chose one I'd want to see it would be Kenny Rowe. He seemed to be a solid player for Oregon and gives us another pass rusher.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1217518
Here is Rivals "All Undrafted Team". Wouldn't mind the Browns brining in any of those guys but if I had to chose one I'd want to see it would be Kenny Rowe. He seemed to be a solid player for Oregon and gives us another pass rusher.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1217518
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 2, 2011 9:38am
mucalum49;757046 wrote:So is UDFA season delayed due to the lockout? I just checked the post to see if it talked about any UDFA's we might have picked up and then remembered the lockout was back on.
Here is Rivals "All Undrafted Team". Wouldn't mind the Browns brining in any of those guys but if I had to chose one I'd want to see it would be Kenny Rowe. He seemed to be a solid player for Oregon and gives us another pass rusher.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1217518
No UDFA's until the lockout is over from what I understand.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
May 2, 2011 9:54am
Would love to bring in Herzlich and Sanz.mucalum49;757046 wrote:So is UDFA season delayed due to the lockout? I just checked the post to see if it talked about any UDFA's we might have picked up and then remembered the lockout was back on.
Here is Rivals "All Undrafted Team". Wouldn't mind the Browns brining in any of those guys but if I had to chose one I'd want to see it would be Kenny Rowe. He seemed to be a solid player for Oregon and gives us another pass rusher.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1217518