like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 1, 2011 11:03am
Like I said, if he wasn't white, the perception would be different. People see Hillis and automaticall think Alstott.Commander of Awesome;953255 wrote:Sure isn't, he is actually deceptively fast and athletic. He's giving him no credit at all.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 1, 2011 11:12am
I'm not going that far, because he's a more athletic runner and has better vision, but to compare him to Ray Rice, AP, LT, etc. is just delusional absurdity.like_that;953269 wrote:People see Hillis and automaticall think Alstott.
I would say a good comparison would be a more fragile Stephen Davis.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 1, 2011 11:13am
No one was comparing him to those players..simply that those are physical runners who have maintained their physical running style for more than 1 season.lhslep134;953283 wrote:I'm not going that far, because he's a more athletic runner and has better vision, but to compare him to Ray Rice, AP, LT, etc. is just delusional absurdity.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 1, 2011 11:27am
Yeah he asked for examples of physical runner not the talent level comparison. I'd try to spin it too though if it got thrown back in my face that easily.
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Sonofanump
Nov 1, 2011 11:52am
lhslep134;953283 wrote:I would say a good comparison would be a more fragile Stephen Davis.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Nov 1, 2011 2:18pm
Browns supposedly trying out some running backs. Hopefully they take a look at former Warren, OH native and UNC Tarheel Anthony Elzy. I think he'd be a great fit for this team right now.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 1, 2011 2:39pm
We signed Thomas Clayton. He was on our team for a bit last season and was terrible.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 1, 2011 4:05pm
I don't think he's the answer, and I don't think he's going to be a good back up. He'll be Tebow'd.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 1, 2011 7:02pm
Seems we cut Brian Failbiskie to sign Thomas Clayton. I'm going to miss his blocking.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Nov 1, 2011 7:03pm
They actually cut Robiskie? haha BR will be happy (and rightfully so)
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 1, 2011 7:04pm
I am happy. Glad we also wasted a 2nd rd pick on him /sarcasm.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 1, 2011 7:08pm
Nah, not happy. Actually thought he might be a decent possession type guy but NOT a 2nd round possession guy.SportsAndLady;953911 wrote:They actually cut Robiskie? haha BR will be happy (and rightfully so)
Thanks, Mangini for kicking the team in the dick with your BRILLIANT 2nd round (Robo, MoMass & Veikune)....SMFH
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 1, 2011 7:10pm
Good way to get me pissed off is thinking about Veikune pick. What a fucking waste. First time I shall that bum in TC I knew. I legit have never seen a worse player in training camp. I think Dawson would have made a better LBer.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 1, 2011 7:17pm
Want me to piss you off more? One of the picks Mangini traded down with the Browns current GM (Heckert) went to select Shady McCoy (I believe) while the Browns end up with the Three Stooges. SMHCommander of Awesome;953919 wrote:Good way to get me pissed off is thinking about Veikune pick. What a fucking waste. First time I shall that bum in TC I knew. I legit have never seen a worse player in training camp. I think Dawson would have made a better LBer.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 1, 2011 8:22pm
Ummm...Terry, if you're trying to make an argument for McCoy, Alex Smith isn't the best benchmark to use as an example. This fanbase doesn't have the patience to wait 6 years....
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2011/11/post_48.html
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2011/11/post_48.html
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 1, 2011 8:49pm
I generally like Pluto but he missed the target with this one.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Nov 1, 2011 8:58pm
i'd rather cut colt now than go through six years of alex smith
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 1, 2011 8:59pm
You're kidding me...BR1986FB;953928 wrote:Want me to piss you off more? One of the picks Mangini traded down with the Browns current GM (Heckert) went to select Shady McCoy (I believe) while the Browns end up with the Three Stooges. SMH
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Nov 1, 2011 9:11pm
veikune was selected one pick ahead of the pick the eagles used on mccoy. the browns got alex mack and james davis when the eagles traded up to get jeremy maclinBR1986FB;953928 wrote:Want me to piss you off more? One of the picks Mangini traded down with the Browns current GM (Heckert) went to select Shady McCoy (I believe) while the Browns end up with the Three Stooges. SMH
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Nov 1, 2011 9:12pm
The Browns drafting has been pathetic...thank God Heckert is here.
We probably have drafted more starters the past 2 drafts than the combined 1999-2009 drafts.....smh
We probably have drafted more starters the past 2 drafts than the combined 1999-2009 drafts.....smh
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 1, 2011 9:20pm
^ I wouldn't be thanking god about that just yet. The 2010 draft is actually looking pretty lousy, especially if McCoy doesn't pan out. Haden is stud, but Ward has regressed this season, Hardesty is always hurt, and nobody else from that draft is any good.
Although it's too early to judge, 2011 looks pretty suspect outside of the 1st 2 rounds as well. I'll never understand the Cameron or Marecic picks. 2 positions we were actually pretty set at.
Although it's too early to judge, 2011 looks pretty suspect outside of the 1st 2 rounds as well. I'll never understand the Cameron or Marecic picks. 2 positions we were actually pretty set at.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 1, 2011 9:34pm
Yea I would be hesitant to give Heckert too much credit. Haden is a stud and I like Phil Taylor. But they really need to start improving the roster. It's great to get guys who can contribute, but eventually you need difference makers.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Nov 1, 2011 9:36pm
now you are going after heckertt? You know absolutely nothing about browns football.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Nov 1, 2011 9:38pm
Heckert is very good at evaluating talent and drafting players. He is superior to the past gm's the Browns have had. Yeah these drafts are still being evaluated, but what Heckert has done with the horrible roster he started with is pretty good.....drafting guys that can have an immediate impact and that are actually part of the future of the organization.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 1, 2011 9:39pm
I don't get the fascination with him. I'm not ready to write him off, but I don't know what moves he's made that would be considered spectacular.DeyDurkie5;954156 wrote:now you are going after heckertt? You know absolutely nothing about browns football.