BR1986FB;859641 wrote:The belief is that Shurmur's system would "coach these guys up" and that even guys like Robo & MoMass should thrive. Mangini should've had a bullet put in his head (kidding) for not giving Carlton Mitchell EVERY chance possible last year. Daboll's offense was verticle in nature and they decide to shelve their ONLY deep threat...duh?

Yeah, I could never figure that one out. You have a blazer to throw the deep ball to, and he sees a hand full of plays all season.

Commander of Awesome;859662 wrote:Erica Womangini's tenure as Browns HC was full of idiotic moves like this. Pretty bad when I honestly think majority of fans could have produced a better offense than what idiot Dumboll drew up. Womangini has no one to blame but himself for not getting it done with Cleveland.

The more that comes out, the more I hate this guy. And I was one that thought he deserved another year. SMH

Wanted to add some more, Not playing Mitchell was only one instance of many of his bone head decisions. Trying to sneak Don Carey on the inactive IR list (thus opening him up to the likes of the league aka Jags) so he can add a back up Long Snapper in camp was ridiculous. He refused to play Harrison and continued to trout Jamal Lewis out there when it was obvious the dude was done. Lewis FINALLY gets put of his misery by injuries and Harrison lights it up. Fans were screaming for Harrison to play most of the season and womangini refused. Stubbon son of a bitch. Mangini not putting Lauvao back in the startiong line up after he was injured in Pre season even though he was the best option for now AND for for building towards the future yet he refused. Bernard not getting PT for god knows why, same with Jayme Mitchell. Putting Jake FAILhomme out there after Wallace went down with uinjury even thoguh he wasn't healthy because he didn't want to put McCoy out there. In my opinion so he didn't have to deal with the fan/media frenzy about playing the rookie, weak. Mangini was a fucking idiot. Plain and simple. Ego was too big even for the NFL.

royal_k;859673 wrote:The more that comes out, the more I hate this guy. And I was one that thought he deserved another year. SMH

Yeah no doubt, his attitude and way he dealt with players was nothing short of pathetic. Mental Midget that always had to prove to you that he was the boss and he was smarter than you. I bet he's a one upper too.

The only "good" that came from Mangini, imo, was making them a more disciplined team (less penalties). Other than that, not much to like.

For those in the "he should've been given another year" camp, this year there would've been no improvement in his system. Should've been "he should've been given one LESS year." Last year was a complete waste under Holmgren's watch and the Big Show has nobody to blame but himself for that. He should've cut the cord with Mangini.

Commander of Awesome;859674 wrote:Wanted to add some more, Not playing Mitchell was only one instance of many of his bone head decisions. Trying to sneak Don Carey on the inactive IR list (thus opening him up to the likes of the league aka Jags) so he can add a back up Long Snapper in camp was ridiculous. He refused to play Harrison and continued to trout Jamal Lewis out there when it was obvious the dude was done. Lewis FINALLY gets put of his misery by injuries and Harrison lights it up. Fans were screaming for Harrison to play most of the season and womangini refused. Stubbon son of a bitch. Mangini not putting Lauvao back in the startiong line up after he was injured in Pre season even though he was the best option for now AND for for building towards the future yet he refused. Bernard not getting PT for god knows why, same with Jayme Mitchell. Putting Jake FAILhomme out there after Wallace went down with uinjury even thoguh he wasn't healthy because he didn't want to put McCoy out there. In my opinion so he didn't have to deal with the fan/media frenzy about playing the rookie, weak. Mangini was a fucking idiot. Plain and simple. Ego was too big even for the NFL.

You can also add jettisoning Leon Scissorhands out of here too quickly. I wasn't a Braylon fan but he should've had a legit WR in place before dumping him for Trusnick & Stuckey. His draft day Sanchez trade and subsequent selections of MoMass, Robo & Veikune weren't exactly the work of a rocket scientist either. Set the franchise back with that shit.

BR1986FB;859705 wrote:You can also add jettisoning Leon Scissorhands out of here too quickly. I wasn't a Braylon fan but he should've had a legit WR in place before dumping him for Trusnick & Stuckey. His draft day Sanchez trade and subsequent selections of MoMass, Robo & Veikune weren't exactly the work of a rocket scientist either. Set the franchise back with that shit.

Yeah I was furious with the Veikune pick. Supposedly he let the chalkboard up which made Ginia have a hard on. I can honestly say, in all my TC visits over the years, I've seen a player look more out of place in my life. I watched him in his first TC day and I told my buddy that he didn't have a place on the team. He should have been cut then. He was absolutely terrible. The fact that a second round pick was out of football in 2 yrs with zero on the field expperience tells you everything. Total waste of a pick.

Imagine if Heckert would've had those three 2nd rounders?

We'd probably have Phil Loadholt and wouldnt be worried about which game Pashots will get injured in and who will play RT.

I'd bet my ass they wouldn't have MoMass & Robiskie. Heckert would've seen that they were huge reaches where they were taken.

BR1986FB;859725 wrote:I'd bet my ass they wouldn't have MoMass & Robiskie. Heckert would've seen that they were huge reaches where they were taken.

I agree, I'll be really suprised if both are on the team next season and wouldnt be if they both were gone.

If this guy comes on strong, he could force Hardesty to start the year on the PUP....

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-08-11/cleveland-browns-training-camp-smiths-speed-turning-heads

BR1986FB;859754 wrote:If this guy comes on strong, he could force Hardesty to start the year on the PUP....

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-08-11/cleveland-browns-training-camp-smiths-speed-turning-heads

"The Browns were the only team that called after the lockout when undrafted free agents were being signed — and they’re not they did."

Journalism today...

I havent even heard this kids name, I'll be keeping an eye out for him. Wouldnt mind keeping him on the roster and just cutting hurtesy now.

BR1986FB;859619 wrote:Doubtful

To piggyback on that, nice writeup on Carlton Mitchell...

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/08/cleveland-browns-2011-training-camp_11.html

And BTW, after watching some preseason action last night, the new kickoff rule is f'in stupid. EVERY kickoff is a touchback or through the end zone. Cribbs likely won't have a single return this year.

What is the new kickoff rule?

sleeper;859813 wrote:What is the new kickoff rule?

They moved the spot of the kickoffs up from the 30 to the 35 yard line. Every kicker is either putting it in the end zone or out of it. The kick returner has pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur.

BR1986FB;859815 wrote:They moved the spot of the kickoffs up from the 30 to the 35 yard line. Every kicker is either putting it in the end zone or out of it. The kick returner has pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur.

WTF? I suppose this was to try and prevent kickoff return injuries? That's such a joke.

sleeper;859816 wrote:WTF? I suppose this was to try and prevent kickoff return injuries? That's such a joke.

Yep. Surprised they didn't outlaw the onside kick too with all of the defenseless receiving team players getting blasted by the kick coverage team. (sarcasm)

Commander of Awesome;859674 wrote:Wanted to add some more, Not playing Mitchell was only one instance of many of his bone head decisions. Trying to sneak Don Carey on the inactive IR list (thus opening him up to the likes of the league aka Jags) so he can add a back up Long Snapper in camp was ridiculous. He refused to play Harrison and continued to trout Jamal Lewis out there when it was obvious the dude was done. Lewis FINALLY gets put of his misery by injuries and Harrison lights it up. Fans were screaming for Harrison to play most of the season and womangini refused. Stubbon son of a bitch. Mangini not putting Lauvao back in the startiong line up after he was injured in Pre season even though he was the best option for now AND for for building towards the future yet he refused. Bernard not getting PT for god knows why, same with Jayme Mitchell. Putting Jake FAILhomme out there after Wallace went down with uinjury even thoguh he wasn't healthy because he didn't want to put McCoy out there. In my opinion so he didn't have to deal with the fan/media frenzy about playing the rookie, weak. Mangini was a ****ing idiot. Plain and simple. Ego was too big even for the NFL.

+1

BR1986FB;859815 wrote:They moved the spot of the kickoffs up from the 30 to the 35 yard line. Every kicker is either putting it in the end zone or out of it. .

I'm fairly certain Sebastian Janokowski came very close to putting his kick through the upright last night haha.

lhslep134;859869 wrote:I'm fairly certain Sebastian Janokowski came very close to putting his kick through the upright last night haha.

I bet he could do that from the 25 lol

I'm surprised Sea Bass didn't put it out of the stadium from the 35. Fat boy has a rocket for a leg.

http://www.kffl.com/team/13/nfl/cleveland-browns

Browns | May look to add LBs when cuts begin

Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:00:10 -0700

The Cleveland Browns may look to sign some experienced linebackers once teams start cutting players because five of the eight backup linebackers are undrafted free agents.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/12/rams-cut-david-vobora/

Rams cut David Vobora

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 12, 2011, 10:33 AM EDT

Rams linebacker David Vobora won a huge settlement this offseason against a supplement company for causing him to fail a NFL drug test.

That good news preceded a surprising downer on Friday: Vobora was cut by the Rams, according to his agent on Twitter. Recently signed linebacker Ben Leber will take his spot on the roster. The Rams also added Zac Diles and Brady Poppinga after the lockout.

Vobora was a starter for a decent chunk of his time with the team after being “Mr. Irrelevant” in the 2008 draft. He figures to get another job fairly soon.

They're going to HAVE to bring in some LB's.

Forgot to mention that I heard yesterday that TJ Ward has been a beast, check that, a fucking beast at camp. He came in BIGGER & FASTER than he was last year and it sounds like he's improved his coverage skills tenfold. They were talking like he was the "heir apparent" safety enforcer of the AFC North with Polamalu & Ed Reed aging.

Here's a piece on Ward/Heckert...

http://cle.scout.com/2/1094870.html

Going up to the stadium tomorrow to catch some football, albeit preseason, excited to see if Colt McCoy really has improved accuracy/zip on his passing. Also want to see Greg Little, because I think he has big time receiver potential.