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Dec 9, 2011 11:56 AM
DeyDurkie5;1008955 wrote:there is just no way barkley will be available wherever we pick. it's as simple as that.
Oh well if its just that simple then its settled. Thanks.
Dec 9, 2011 11:56am
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Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM
Commander of Awesome;1008974 wrote:Oh well if its just that simple then its settled. Thanks.
browns will be selecting 6th-9th range. you really think 5 teams finishing in the bottom of the league are going to pass on barkley? Use that fire hair to spark some logic
Dec 9, 2011 11:58am
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Dec 9, 2011 12:02 PM
DeyDurkie5;1008978 wrote:browns will be selecting 6th-9th range. you really think 5 teams finishing in the bottom of the league are going to pass on barkley? Use that fire hair to spark some logic
Actually the Browns are on pace to finish with the 5th draft pick. 3 of the 4 teams in front of them recently spent a high draft pick on a QB and the other one is a sure fire guarantee to take Luck(the Colts). Barkley may as well just fall in our lap.
Dec 9, 2011 12:02pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM
sleeper;1008985 wrote:Actually the Browns are on pace to finish with the 5th draft pick. 3 of the 4 teams in front of them recently spent a high draft pick on a QB and the other one is a sure fire guarantee to take Luck(the Colts). Barkley may as well just fall in our lap.
who are the teams ahead of them?
Dec 9, 2011 12:04pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:06 PM
DeyDurkie5;1008987 wrote:who are the teams ahead of them?
Colts
St. Louis
Minnesota
Jacksonville

I do realize there's like a 12 way tie for 5th, but looking at our schedule I don't see us beating anyone besides the Cardinals and that's a maybe at best.
Dec 9, 2011 12:06pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM
sleeper;1008991 wrote:Colts
St. Louis
Minnesota
Jacksonville
yeah im looking at them now. curently 5 teams at 4-8 right now and 2 of those would be legetimate picks to draft barkely. I see the browns losing out, so they will be 4-12. dolphins, washington, and maybe even tampa bay?
Dec 9, 2011 12:08pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:09 PM
Also the ATL pick is going to be in the early 20's late teens, so not great but not terrible either.
Dec 9, 2011 12:09pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:10 PM
DeyDurkie5;1008992 wrote:yeah im looking at them now. curently 5 teams at 4-8 right now and 2 of those would be legetimate picks to draft barkely. I see the browns losing out, so they will be 4-12. dolphins, washington, and maybe even tampa bay?
All 5 of those teams will win at least 1 more game of their last 4. The Browns won't. That's why I gave us the edge in getting the 5th pick and drafting Barkley.
Dec 9, 2011 12:10pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM
Either way, the Browns will probably be terrible next year as well, but at least with a competent QB back there and a stud LB we'll win more than 4 games.
Dec 9, 2011 12:11pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:13 PM
They need to go out and sign the best FA WR they can this offseason, draft a QB and another young WR and make this offense atleast look like an NFL one...the shit they are displaying on an NFL field is pathetic.
Dec 9, 2011 12:13pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:16 PM
Pick6;1008931 wrote:So you waste a high pick on something that you THINK might be a problem and ignore something that you KNOW is a problem. Makes sense.
You take BPA. You don't draft for need or you end up reaching.
Dec 9, 2011 12:16pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:24 PM
sleeper;1008985 wrote:Actually the Browns are on pace to finish with the 5th draft pick. 3 of the 4 teams in front of them recently spent a high draft pick on a QB and the other one is a sure fire guarantee to take Luck(the Colts). Barkley may as well just fall in our lap.
Browns will likely select 4th or 5th and the teams above them, except Indy won't need a QB. They would have to worry about someone trading up to leapfrog them.
Dec 9, 2011 12:24pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM
I could see the Jaguars taking a QB...just a hunch I have because I'm not sure they are confident with Gabbert. I hope they don't though.
Dec 9, 2011 12:27pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM
BR1986FB;1008918 wrote:Wut? I don't "hate" Holmgren and I said Shurmur wasn't going anywhere for "awhile" meaning he likely isn't getting canned THIS year. If he has additional talent next year and lays another 4-12 egg, sure...he'll be gone. The front office can't "sell" back to back 4-12 seasons and moving forward with him.
Lol i'm pretty sure calling him an overweight paycheck stealer means you hate him..

No offense BR, cuz you're a very knowledgeable browns fan..but you're animosity towards the staff/front office right now is blinding your perception of the players.
Dec 9, 2011 12:28pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:32 PM
BR1986FB;1009014 wrote:Browns will likely select 4th or 5th and the teams above them, except Indy won't need a QB. They would have to worry about someone trading up to leapfrog them.
Unlikely. How often does this actually happen in the top 5 picks? I think we get Barkley, book it!
Dec 9, 2011 12:32pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:39 PM
IF we get barkely it's a win win for us.....

IF and that's a big IF Colt is the guy, then we have either a, a solid backup or b, trade bait to fill more holes. (See Eagles with McNabb/Vick/Kolb)
Dec 9, 2011 12:39pm
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Dec 9, 2011 12:44 PM
SportsAndLady;1009021 wrote:Lol i'm pretty sure calling him an overweight paycheck stealer means you hate him..

No offense BR, cuz you're a very knowledgeable browns fan..but you're animosity towards the staff/front office right now is blinding your perception of the players.
Might want to check out my comments from about 5am this morning on the "Factory of Sadness" thread.
Dec 9, 2011 12:44pm
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Dec 9, 2011 1:21 PM
BR1986FB;1009008 wrote:You take BPA. You don't draft for need or you end up reaching.
sort of like the Browns did for Taylor last draft? Seems to be working out pretty well for them.
Dec 9, 2011 1:21pm
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Dec 9, 2011 1:25 PM
BR1986FB;1009041 wrote:Might want to check out my comments from about 5am this morning on the "Factory of Sadness" thread.
I admittedly have not read that thread...it'll only depress me even further lol

You know I love ya BR, I just don't think you're thinking clearly lately haha I think this organization is finally starting to crumble you!
Dec 9, 2011 1:25pm
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Dec 9, 2011 1:27 PM
Pick6;1009088 wrote:sort of like the Browns did for Taylor last draft? Seems to be working out pretty well for them.
On Heckert's board, he was the BPA. There were a few teams who were interested in him around that slot.

Drafting for need results in reaching. If there's a Ray Lewis on the board you're telling me you're going to draft a WR just because you "need" them? No.
Dec 9, 2011 1:27pm
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Dec 9, 2011 1:36 PM
SportsAndLady;1009100 wrote:I admittedly have not read that thread...it'll only depress me even further lol

You know I love ya BR, I just don't think you're thinking clearly lately haha I think this organization is finally starting to crumble you!
Oh, I love Heckert and think he's this teams future. I think Holmgren isn't much more than a figurehead to be honest. That being said, I don't think the "figurehead" will allow this organization to "crash & burn." His ego is too big and his reputation in the NFL would be severely tarnished if this "genius" with the NFL pedigree couldn't right the ship.

I think they are doing A LOT of things right but I really don't think this 3rd round QB is going to make waves in this division.
Dec 9, 2011 1:36pm
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Dec 9, 2011 1:41 PM
BR1986FB;1009114 wrote:I think they are doing A LOT of things right but I really don't think this 3rd round QB is going to make waves in this division.
I was at a bar with a ton of Steelers fans, and a ton of NY Giants/Jets fans...not one had anything negative to say about Colt McCoy's performance last night. They said over and over again that he plays with heart and that they believe he can win in Cleveland. They said his arm strength looked better than normal and that while he made some iffy decisions, overall his decision making was good. Pointed out that his weapons around him garbage and the system sucks too.

These are completely non-biased individuals w/ their opinion on him. Even on the thread last night, some Steelers fans on here were giving him props for his performance. The guy isn't as bad as you think, BR. Just give him a year w/ some weapons..if he doesn't pan out, he doesn't pan out.
Dec 9, 2011 1:41pm
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Dec 9, 2011 1:53 PM
SportsAndLady;1009120 wrote:I was at a bar with a ton of Steelers fans, and a ton of NY Giants/Jets fans...not one had anything negative to say about Colt McCoy's performance last night. They said over and over again that he plays with heart and that they believe he can win in Cleveland. They said his arm strength looked better than normal and that while he made some iffy decisions, overall his decision making was good. Pointed out that his weapons around him garbage and the system sucks too.

These are completely non-biased individuals w/ their opinion on him. Even on the thread last night, some Steelers fans on here were giving him props for his performance. The guy isn't as bad as you think, BR. Just give him a year w/ some weapons..if he doesn't pan out, he doesn't pan out.
Nope, sorry. I know he's tough & has heart. Just can't make all of the throws.

Seeing is believing and I didn't see the same as you last night. I saw a guy who underthrew Evan Moore and got the ball picked by Polamalu. I saw a guy who was throwing floaters when his backup came in for two plays and the zip on his passes were night & day. I saw a guy who looked like utter crap once he got in the red zone.

I don't want "moxie." I don't wan't a "gamer" or any of those other douchebag sayings. Insert Colt's brain/football knowledge, toughness, heart, etc into Derek Anderson's body (I want no part of DA's brain or lack of accuracy in this equation) and THEN we'll have something.

When the snow/wind flys in NE Ohio, it won't matter WHAT offense Shurmur runs with this kid at QB because it will be shut down to strictly running and VERY short passes because he won't be able to make the throws.
Dec 9, 2011 1:53pm
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Dec 9, 2011 1:58 PM
sleeper;1008985 wrote:Actually the Browns are on pace to finish with the 5th draft pick. 3 of the 4 teams in front of them recently spent a high draft pick on a QB and the other one is a sure fire guarantee to take Luck(the Colts). Barkley may as well just fall in our lap.
That's even if Barkley is going to declare. It's sounding more and more like he will stay for another year. USC is gearing for a national title run next year.
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Dec 9, 2011 2:02 PM
like_that;1009131 wrote:That's even if Barkley is going to declare. It's sounding more and more like he will stay for another year. USC is gearing for a national title run next year.
And there's the rub. If Barkley stays put and they can't trade up for a Luck, THEN fill your other holes. RG3 is good but I'm skeptical and Landry Jones is a bearded clam when he gets a little pressure in his face. Folds like a cheap lawnchair. The Weeden "kid" is about 100 years old so pass on him too. At that point you likely have to suffer with McCoy another season.

If the QB isn't close to "can't miss" there's no sense in risking taking another McCoy.
Dec 9, 2011 2:02pm