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Jul 27, 2011 4:16 PM
OneBuckeye;843083 wrote:So what does the projected depth chart look like for next year before and after FA? Off the top of my head what I think the 1 deep woudl be is below, what would the 2 deep look like?


DE - Sheaard
DT - Rubin
DT - Taylor
DE - Jayme Mitchell (if re-signed), Edwards (FA) or Bernard?

OLB - Fujita
MLB - Jackson
OLB - ? I'm drawing a blank. (Gocong)

CB -Haden
CB -Brown
FS -Mike Adams, Elam (not likely) or Weddle/Whitner (FA)?
SS -Ward

QB-McCoy
RB-Hillis
FB-Owen Macerniek (sp?) Did we release Vickers? are we going to? (Vickers is a FA)
LT-Thomas (
LG-Steinbach
C-Mack
RG-Lauveno ? (sp) (Lauvao, Porkchop or Pinkston)
RT-Pahsos (sp) (Pinkston or FA)

TE - Watson
WR-Massoqui
WR-?? Robo, Little, Mitchell??

Here are some potentials...
Jul 27, 2011 12:16pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:30 PM
I am still trying to imagine Taylor and Rubin on the field at the same time. Sheesh.
Jul 27, 2011 12:30pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:39 PM
OneBuckeye;843102 wrote:I am still trying to imagine Taylor and Rubin on the field at the same time. Sheesh.

Which is why they need a stud MLB. If Taylor is as good as advertised they could get "Ray Lewis-like" (in his prime) production with he (Taylor) and Rubin protecting the MLB..
Jul 27, 2011 12:39pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:45 PM
I understand what Heckert is saying, it is definitely much better to build a team through a draft, but FAs can't hurt. Don't give us this "we want to win now" bullshit if you aren't going to sign a few FAs. I don't think as Browns fans we are looking to sign 4 superstars, but come on at least get some guys who have NFL experience and can start NOW. The D Line needs work, and if they truly want to "win now," then they better sign a couple guys to help out. Two rookies is not going to get it done.
Jul 27, 2011 12:45pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:48 PM
like_that;843113 wrote:I understand what Heckert is saying, it is definitely much better to build a team through a draft, but FAs can't hurt. Don't give us this "we want to win now" bullshit if you aren't going to sign a few FAs. I don't think as Browns fans we are looking to sign 4 superstars, but come on at least get some guys who have NFL experience and can start NOW. The D Line needs work, and if they truly want to "win now," then they better sign a couple guys to help out. Two rookies is not going to get it done.

I still think they will sign some solid free agents but I think they will wait until the initial rush dies down. I like Ray Edwards but I don't "$70 million like" him. They will still add contributing pieces. I think we all got spoiled by Savage spending like a drunken sailor. See where that got us?
Jul 27, 2011 12:48pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:52 PM
BR1986FB;843120 wrote:I think we all got spoiled by Savage spending like a drunken sailor. See where that got us?

But there is a difference between then and now. We HAVE to spend money. Savage didn't have to, and probably shouldn't have.
Jul 27, 2011 12:52pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:53 PM
BR1986FB;843120 wrote:I still think they will sign some solid free agents but I think they will wait until the initial rush dies down. I like Ray Edwards but I don't "$70 million like" him. They will still add contributing pieces. I think we all got spoiled by Savage spending like a drunken sailor. See where that got us?

Exactly, since he's been in Cleveland, Heckart has done a complete overhaul (almost) of the roster. Look at the talent on the roster 2-3 years ago compared to now. There's a youth movement, if you will, and while it may take some time to develop, the talent is certainly there. I think some Cleveland fans are expecting a little bit too much out of the "We want to win now" statement by the front office. Who doesn't want to win now? Ray Edwards may be as close to a superstar as we get in Cleveland out of these free agents. Like BR has said, a few 2nd Tier guys may end up on the roster, and that will at a minimum make us competitive this year, imo.
Jul 27, 2011 12:53pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:54 PM
I'd like to see us get Edwards if the price is right
Jul 27, 2011 12:54pm
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Jul 27, 2011 4:59 PM
SportsAndLady;843126 wrote:But there is a difference between then and now. We HAVE to spend money. Savage didn't have to, and probably shouldn't have.

I could be wrong, but I don't think teams have to spend money just to reach the cap floor. I believe there is a penalty they can/would pay if they fail to reach it. I'll check into it and find out for you.

Regardless, would you rather see the team overpay for a player who's likely to be out of Cleveland in 1-2 years? Or spend on a lower-level guy, i.e. James Jones, Donte Whitner, who will provide a solid contribution throughout the duration of his contract?
Jul 27, 2011 12:59pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:01 PM
OhioStatePride2003;843134 wrote:I could be wrong, but I don't think teams have to spend money just to reach the cap floor. I believe there is a penalty they can/would pay if they fail to reach it. I'll check into it and find out for you.

Regardless, would you rather see the team overpay for a player who's likely to be out of Cleveland in 1-2 years? Or spend on a lower-level guy, i.e. James Jones, Donte Whitner, who will provide a solid contribution throughout the duration of his contract?

As long as they spend money on starters. I don't want them signing FAs who couldn't make a starting spot on their old team.
Jul 27, 2011 1:01pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:01 PM
ohiobucks1;843130 wrote:I'd like to see us get Edwards if the price is right

Jason Babin has the Eagles among his top three teams. That good news for us Browns fans if we want to land Edwards.
Jul 27, 2011 1:01pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:03 PM
like_that;843142 wrote:As long as they spend money on starters. I don't want them signing FAs who couldn't make a starting spot on their old team.

I understand, but I think fans were expecting Heckart and Co. to go on a spending spree as soon as the lockout was lifted. That's not Heckart's style. In truth, if the Browns have to spend money - why not go ahead and lock-up Joe Thomas to a long term deal? He, of all the players out there asking for big money, deserves it more than most.
Jul 27, 2011 1:03pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:05 PM
FWIW...

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RT @TheKostos: James Jones on Blitz... @RichGannon12 asks him what he thinks about starting w #Browns "Starting.. sounds good 2 me" #Packers

Thoughts? I'd like it.

AND....

Jared Tokarz
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Free Agent Eric Weddle has resigned back with the Chargers.


DAMN!
Jul 27, 2011 1:05pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:07 PM
OhioStatePride2003;843134 wrote:I could be wrong, but I don't think teams have to spend money just to reach the cap floor. I believe there is a penalty they can/would pay if they fail to reach it. I'll check into it and find out for you.

Regardless, would you rather see the team overpay for a player who's likely to be out of Cleveland in 1-2 years? Or spend on a lower-level guy, i.e. James Jones, Donte Whitner, who will provide a solid contribution throughout the duration of his contract?

You are correct about the penalty.

But why would he be out of Cleveland in 1-2 years? (I'm asking because I don't know) Wouldn't he sign a multi year contract?
Jul 27, 2011 1:07pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:07 PM
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Jul 27, 2011 5:14 PM
OhioStatePride2003;843152 wrote:FWIW...
Jared Tokarz
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Free Agent Eric Weddle has resigned back with the Chargers.


DAMN!
And this is WHY Heckert is moving slowly. Weddle just became the HIGHEST paid safety in NFL HISTORY. He's not worth that. On to Whitner.
Jul 27, 2011 1:14pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:15 PM
SportsAndLady;843156 wrote:You are correct about the penalty.

But why would he be out of Cleveland in 1-2 years? (I'm asking because I don't know) Wouldn't he sign a multi year contract?
I'm not sure which player you're talking about. I'm just saying, take a guy like T.O. as an example (calm down people I said as an example). The guy has character flaws, he's productive but at the same time he's aging. Would you be satisfied if the Browns went and inked him to a - let's just say - 3 yr. $18 MIL with $8MIL guaranteed? Owens is a prime example of someone who could come in right now and make an impact for the Browns, but there isn't a lot of certainty when it comes to him? When you could bring in a guy like...Malcolm Floyd (Who I'm hearing may be on his way to Crapmore) for the same contract as you'd offer T.O. Clearly T.O. and Floyd are two different players, but there's more upside in offering Floyd as opposed to Owens. I'm not saying everyone is a "T.O." but do you see what I mean?

Who out there do you want to see them make an offer to?
Jul 27, 2011 1:15pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:16 PM
BR1986FB;843167 wrote:And this is WHY Heckert is moving slowly. Weddle just became the HIGHEST paid safety in NFL HISTORY. He's not worth that. On to Whitner.

When you see things like this, doesn't it make you glad that we have Holmgren and Heckart calling the shots? I know it does me.
Jul 27, 2011 1:16pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:17 PM
I still would like a small spell back for hillis. I don't trust hurtesty.
Jul 27, 2011 1:17pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:18 PM
like_that;843171 wrote:I still would like a small spell back for hillis. I don't trust hurtesty.

I'm pretty confident that Harrison will be let go from Philly, and could very well end up back in a Browns uniform. Would that work for ya'? Everyone loves the "Ghost"!
Jul 27, 2011 1:18pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:19 PM
Just heard that Ray Edwards is trying to purchase Bill Cowher's home in Strongsville....
Jul 27, 2011 1:19pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:21 PM
OhioStatePride2003;843173 wrote:I'm pretty confident that Harrison will be let go from Philly, and could very well end up back in a Browns uniform. Would that work for ya'? Everyone loves the "Ghost"!

I much rather have a small speedy rb. It would be a good chance of pace from Hillis' style.
Jul 27, 2011 1:21pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:24 PM
OhioStatePride2003;843168 wrote:I'm not sure which player you're talking about. I'm just saying, take a guy like T.O. as an example (calm down people I said as an example). The guy has character flaws, he's productive but at the same time he's aging. Would you be satisfied if the Browns went and inked him to a - let's just say - 3 yr. $18 MIL with $8MIL guaranteed? Owens is a prime example of someone who could come in right now and make an impact for the Browns, but there isn't a lot of certainty when it comes to him? When you could bring in a guy like...Malcolm Floyd (Who I'm hearing may be on his way to Crapmore) for the same contract as you'd offer T.O. Clearly T.O. and Floyd are two different players, but there's more upside in offering Floyd as opposed to Owens. I'm not saying everyone is a "T.O." but do you see what I mean?

Who out there do you want to see them make an offer to?

I was talking about Edwards. I wouldn't mind overpaying for him, because we have to spend money; as long as he would sign for 4+ years, which is what I was saying...why do you think we would only have him for 1-2 years? Am I missing something?
Jul 27, 2011 1:24pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:24 PM
like_that;843178 wrote:I much rather have a small speedy rb. It would be a good chance of pace from Hillis' style.

There's possibilities out there still, but I have to think the FO has something up their sleeve because I haven't heard squat about any RBs.
Jul 27, 2011 1:24pm
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Jul 27, 2011 5:25 PM
SportsAndLady;843183 wrote:I was talking about Edwards. I wouldn't mind overpaying for him, because we have to spend money; as long as he would sign for 4+ years, which is what I was saying...why do you think we would only have him for 1-2 years? Am I missing something?

Edwards may have overpriced himself with the Eagles. If Babin is now in the mix either Philly thinks Edwards is too expensive or have a backup plan. He may end up the Browns' by default.
Jul 27, 2011 1:25pm