thedynasty1998;615497 wrote:Early to mid 2nd? When "athletes" are drafted that high it's because they can see them translating to a specific position. I really have no idea what position TP plays other than QB, and I just don't think he's good enough to play QB.

vball10set;615513 wrote:Tom Luginbill on ESPNU last night said that if Pryor decides to declare for the NFL draft, and if he let's the scouts evaluate him as an athlete and not a QB, he has a chance of getting drafted from the 3rd round down...but if he sticks with his desire to be evaluated as a QB only, he stands little or no chance of being drafted at all.

Wooball;615518 wrote:Matt Jones was drafted in the 1st round by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Pat White was drafted in the 2nd round by the Miami Dolphins.

I'm not saying I would draft TP that high, but if he goes to the combine and runs his reported 4.3 - 40 times with his size, someone will take a shot on him to either play QB or convert him to a WR.

Hamp89;615522 wrote:Kiper said the same thing. He felt TE is the best fit for Pryor to suceed at the next level.

thedynasty1998;615550 wrote:Poor, poor argument. Pat White was a fluid athlete, much like Dernard Robinson. Matt Jones was also much more fluid than Pryor and much more physical.

People get hooked on Pryor's measurables and tend to not use the "eye test". Pryor is not that fluid in the hips, isn't that quick (for NFL WR standards), and doesn't run hard. He often falls awkwardly.

You just can't compare him to Matt Jones and Pat White, because he's not the same athlete those two were.

thedynasty1998;615557 wrote:I don't think this will ever happen, but this might be the best case scenario for Pryor:

He gets his stuff back from the NFL and it basically says, "You suck." Pryor gets a little bit of reality and realizes that maybe if he does want to play in the NFL he will have to be willing to adapt to a new position. So, he decides to return for his senior year, but during the off season and those 5 games he's suspended for, he works out as a TE. Not full time, but enough time to get an understanding of what it takes to play at that position. Then next time this year, he can go to to combine with an open mind and is better able to sell himself at another position.

thedynasty1998;615550 wrote:Poor, poor argument. Pat White was a fluid athlete, much like Dernard Robinson. Matt Jones was also much more fluid than Pryor and much more physical.

People get hooked on Pryor's measurables and tend to not use the "eye test". Pryor is not that fluid in the hips, isn't that quick (for NFL WR standards), and doesn't run hard. He often falls awkwardly.

You just can't compare him to Matt Jones and Pat White, because he's not the same athlete those two were.

lhslep134;615617 wrote:Wow dude I can't believe you just said poor poor argument because you got proven wrong. Fantastic comeback....

Matt Jones is virtually a white man's Terrelle Pryor it's a fantastic comparison. Pat White is a different player, but for comparison purposes he also works. Both were project athletes taken in the first and 2nd round, proving you wrong.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Pryor run the fastest 40 on the team??

Red Saul;615619 wrote:He fits the "Athlete" title to a T.

Somebody will give him a look through the draft based his ability by itself.

Wooball;615594 wrote:from a Chris Mortensen article from 2005:

"Based on watching Jones perform during Senior Bowl week, when he unabashedly exposed himself to playing receiver, scouts wondered about one or two things: Was he quick and explosive enough to play outside?

He then goes on to say that given more time as a receiver he would show he quickness and explosiveness because his measurables at the combine translate to a quick, explosive athlete. Also, that his basketball skills mean he could be a good WR. TP was a top basketball recruit coming out of HS and many schools recruited him to play both. Now, Jones did have the advantage of playing in the senior bowl so scouts could get a look at him at a different position, but if TP is willing to make that change then I don't think Matt Jones is a poor, poor comparison.

If he insists on being a QB, I agree, he would be lucky to get drafted this spring.

dat dude;615624 wrote:You're right, it isn't a poor argument at all. Its a college QB who was drafted as an athlete - exactly what is being discussed here. The fluidity of Pryor is just a sub issue in the debate.

Bottom line, if Pryor tells teams that he is open to playing any position, he will get drafted within the top few rounds. NFL GMs have proven time and time again that measureables matter. Somebody will take a chance on a 6'5" 235lbs athlete who runs a sub 4.4 time. No doubt about it. That kind of athleticism doesn't come by too often.

And I get the concerns about Pryor's running style. However, I wonder how much of that is Pryor being taught to be mindful of protecting himself from injury by the coaching staff. They know the drop-off in talent should Pryor get injured.

thedynasty1998;615629 wrote: You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round in hopes that he can just run deep every play and go up for jump balls.

lhslep134;615643 wrote:You're right, you draft a guy in the 1st round to do it:

See Williamson, Troy; and Heyward-Bey, Darius lol

LJ;615686 wrote:Pat White is a really bad comparison because he had one of the best showings throwing the ball at the combine that year. Had one of the strongest and most accurate arms there.

Pick6;615890 wrote:posey says he is coming back for his senior season. pryor had no mention whether he is or not