cbus4life wrote:
P.S. Whoever said OSU is the best university in the State, as far as academics is concerned...you're wrong.

A great place to do graduate-level work, and certainly the best in the state, IMO, but as far as undergrad goes, there are certainly better institutions. But i guess it is all a matter of opinion, and it is still a great school, just don't think it is the outright "best."

Case-Western and Denison both popped into my mind immediately. A small liberal arts college is always a better academic education IMO than a big one, due to the personal contact with instructors, and lack of TA's teaching class. Places like Denison and Case-Western have great acadmeic programs because a lot of the professors teach classes of 20-30 kids and they're professors, not TA's.

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Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

cbus4life wrote:
P.S. Whoever said OSU is the best university in the State, as far as academics is concerned...you're wrong.

A great place to do graduate-level work, and certainly the best in the state, IMO, but as far as undergrad goes, there are certainly better institutions. But i guess it is all a matter of opinion, and it is still a great school, just don't think it is the outright "best."

Case-Western and Denison both popped into my mind immediately. A small liberal arts college is always a better academic education IMO than a big one, due to the personal contact with instructors, and lack of TA's teaching class. Places like Denison and Case-Western have great acadmeic programs because a lot of the professors teach classes of 20-30 kids and they're professors, not TA's.

I would agree. My best friend played basketball at Case and my sister is an alumna of Denison. Both are fantastic institutions. However I was referring to the public universities. I have a full ride via the State of Ohio, so my realistic options were the public universities. My fault for not elaborating.

don't they play in the texas bowl? i'd decline that too and give someone else a chance to play ND is a dumpster fire now and I understand not wanting to pull attention to yourself at a time like this.

Papa Johns Pizza is my favorite. If that is the Bowl they're invited to.....I hope they accept it. I'd be hungry as hell during the game because of the commercials though.

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

cbus4life wrote:
P.S. Whoever said OSU is the best university in the State, as far as academics is concerned...you're wrong.

A great place to do graduate-level work, and certainly the best in the state, IMO, but as far as undergrad goes, there are certainly better institutions. But i guess it is all a matter of opinion, and it is still a great school, just don't think it is the outright "best."

Case-Western and Denison both popped into my mind immediately. A small liberal arts college is always a better academic education IMO than a big one, due to the personal contact with instructors, and lack of TA's teaching class. Places like Denison and Case-Western have great acadmeic programs because a lot of the professors teach classes of 20-30 kids and they're professors, not TA's.

I would agree. My best friend played basketball at Case and my sister is an alumna of Denison. Both are fantastic institutions. However I was referring to the public universities. I have a full ride via the State of Ohio, so my realistic options were the public universities. My fault for not elaborating.

Fair enough.

Oberlin, Kenyon, Case, Denison, as well as Miami University, all have wonderful academics and reputations.

If Weis were still the coach you better believe they wouldn't be turning down the Papa John's Bowl.

Mr Pat wrote: If Weis were still the coach you better believe they wouldn't be turning down the Papa John's Bowl.

Word.



I'm going to miss posting that pic

Better Ingredients.
Better Pizza.
Notre Dame.
Did we mention our pizza?



Cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame.....and then pass me the garlic dipping sauce, you greedy bastard.

I think it's extremely arrogant of Notre Dame to feel they are above playing in a lesser bowl game with the state the program is currently in.

Guess what guys? You get to play in the bowl game you earn. And at 6-6 you aren't above anything.

Mulva wrote: I think it's extremely arrogant of Notre Dame to feel they are above playing in a lesser bowl game with the state the program is currently in.

Guess what guys? You get to play in the bowl game you earn. And at 6-6 you aren't above anything.

Maybe they don't feel bowl-worthy. Maybe they feel that they have bigger fish to fry right now. It's not as black and white as some make it out to be IMO.

killer_ewok wrote:
Maybe they don't feel bowl-worthy. Maybe they feel that they have bigger fish to fry right now. It's not as black and white as some make it out to be IMO.

The program definitely has bigger fish to fry. But the players job is to play the games. Let the athletic department worry about the other stuff.

There are 700 million bowl games. I'm not sure it's possible this day and age to not even feel bowl worthy. I know they are probably all disappointed with the way the season went, but swallow the pride and finish the job. It's similar to Kentucky debating about the NIT last year. They admitted that it was unacceptable for the program not to be in the NCAA tournament, but they still went out and competed. I don't see the downside of playing 1 last game.

The reasons might be a little gray, but the bottom line is definitely black and white to me. Take your ball and go home or man up and accept a lesser bowl and opponent.

cbus4life wrote:

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

Red_Skin_Pride wrote:

cbus4life wrote:
P.S. Whoever said OSU is the best university in the State, as far as academics is concerned...you're wrong.

A great place to do graduate-level work, and certainly the best in the state, IMO, but as far as undergrad goes, there are certainly better institutions. But i guess it is all a matter of opinion, and it is still a great school, just don't think it is the outright "best."

Case-Western and Denison both popped into my mind immediately. A small liberal arts college is always a better academic education IMO than a big one, due to the personal contact with instructors, and lack of TA's teaching class. Places like Denison and Case-Western have great acadmeic programs because a lot of the professors teach classes of 20-30 kids and they're professors, not TA's.

I would agree. My best friend played basketball at Case and my sister is an alumna of Denison. Both are fantastic institutions. However I was referring to the public universities. I have a full ride via the State of Ohio, so my realistic options were the public universities. My fault for not elaborating.

Fair enough.

Oberlin, Kenyon, Case, Denison, as well as Miami University, all have wonderful academics and reputations.

I'll take Ohio State over any of these Jokers. In the college world, it all comes down to money and Ohio State dwarfs all of these schools easily. Why money? With money you can have the best facilities, technology, and most importantly lure the best professors to teach the students. Also, it attracts the best students because anyone with intelligence will forgo paying more money for a small college when you can get a superior education at Ohio State.

And Oberlin, Kenyon, and Denison? Really? I'll give you Miami and Case but those 3? LOL

jordo212000 wrote:

rocket31 wrote:
remember, notre dame gets money from the bcs whether they make it there or not, so from a financial standpoint it might make more sense to stay at home and just collect the bcs check.

I think this is ridiculous. I need to get whoever negotiated that deal for Notre Dame to be my lawyer/agent.

Notre Dames gets a minimum of $1.3 million regardless of how bad the Bowl Game is they play in. If they don't play in a Bowl game they still get $650,000.

The Library could really use that 1.3 million for the upcoming revamp

sleeper wrote: I'll take Ohio State over any of these Jokers. In the college world, it all comes down to money and Ohio State dwarfs all of these schools easily. Why money? With money you can have the best facilities, technology, and most importantly lure the best professors to teach the students. Also, it attracts the best students because anyone with intelligence will forgo paying more money for a small college when you can get a superior education at Ohio State.

And Oberlin, Kenyon, and Denison? Really? I'll give you Miami and Case but those 3? LOL

Once again, proving how much of an arrogant jackass many Ohio State fanatics are.

sjmvsfscs08 wrote:

sleeper wrote: I'll take Ohio State over any of these Jokers. In the college world, it all comes down to money and Ohio State dwarfs all of these schools easily. Why money? With money you can have the best facilities, technology, and most importantly lure the best professors to teach the students. Also, it attracts the best students because anyone with intelligence will forgo paying more money for a small college when you can get a superior education at Ohio State.

And Oberlin, Kenyon, and Denison? Really? I'll give you Miami and Case but those 3? LOL

Once again, proving how much of an arrogant jackass many Ohio State fanatics are.

Mediocrity is often praised too much in our society. Every school claims to have a "good program" or be "a great school" but not every school can accomplish that. In all honesty, have you ever heard anyone say a school is a bad school? I'm talking 4 year universities too, not community colleges or tech schools...No? Yeah, because people are full of shit and I refuse to fall into that trap of believing that everything in the world is great.

When it comes to Ohio, Ohio State is king, this isn't opinion, this is fact. If you don't like it, transfer schools, remember they're all great! LOL

killer_ewok wrote:

Mulva wrote: I think it's extremely arrogant of Notre Dame to feel they are above playing in a lesser bowl game with the state the program is currently in.

Guess what guys? You get to play in the bowl game you earn. And at 6-6 you aren't above anything.

Maybe they don't feel bowl-worthy. Maybe they feel that they have bigger fish to fry right now. It's not as black and white as some make it out to be IMO.

Can you tell me any other other school that has elected not to accept a bowl invite? ND thinks they are above a lot of things (hence needing a contract with NBC< stayin independent, etc.)

Sleeper, hence why i said that, at the GRADUATE level, Ohio State is king, by far.

But, at the undergraduate level, it isn't all about having money, resources, technology, etc.

It is about teaching.

And, at those universities i mentioned, the undergraduate education is great.

I don't want to get into an argument, because OSU is a great school, but as far as undergraduate education is concerned, i don't think it is all that much "better" than the schools i mentioned.

Like i said, graduate level, most certainly!

slingshot4ever wrote: Can you tell me any other other school that has elected not to accept a bowl invite? ND thinks they are above a lot of things (hence needing a contract with NBC< stayin independent, etc.)

In 1961 Ohio State actually declined a Rose Bowl invitation.

Let's not forget that ND had a no bowl policy for 40 plus years which was lifter under Parseghian in 1969.

Meineke Muffler Bowl would love to have 'em play UNC. Watta honor!

To Fat Hobbit about 1961.

The Ohio State athletic department didn't turn down the Rose Bowl in 1961, the professors at Ohio State did and the campus nearly rioted until Woody Hayes and his football team stepped in. The Big Ten only allowed its conference champion to appear in the Rose Bowl back then - there were no other options. The professors felt that football and athletics in general were getting too much attention at the expense of academics then and would not let the team go to the Rose Bowl to send a message. Remember at this time the Buckeyes basketball team was in the Jerry Lucus, John Havelcek and Larry Seigfried era as well.

It wasn't long after that incident that professors lost their right to vote on bowl acceptance.

Ohio State is the best PUBLIC university in Ohio...but I would agree that Case Western and Kenyon are better schools.

And Miami (OH) is a very good school but not as good as OSU. I went to OSU-Mansfield for 2 quarters freshman year then transferred to main campus because I did not get accepted into Ohio State. I got accepted into Miami.

cbus4life wrote: Sleeper, hence why i said that, at the GRADUATE level, Ohio State is king, by far.

But, at the undergraduate level, it isn't all about having money, resources, technology, etc.

It is about teaching.

And, at those universities i mentioned, the undergraduate education is great.

I don't want to get into an argument, because OSU is a great school, but as far as undergraduate education is concerned, i don't think it is all that much "better" than the schools i mentioned.

Like i said, graduate level, most certainly!

About the teaching? Did you not read my post?

Let me explain.

There are only so many "top tier" professors floating around in the entire world and colleges have to compete with each other in order to obtain this talent. For most the competitive edge is how much money you can offer them, as well as benefits, in order to lure them to your school. Ivy league schools such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, not only have the money but the prestige factor as well which is why the perennial get the best teachers(who in turn probably will become future top tier professors). I don't see how a school like Kenyon, Oberlin, etc can even come close to the amount of quality professors as Ohio State does. Do they have smaller classes? Sure. That really doesn't mean SHIT, it just means that the school doesn't have a lot of students either. In fact, if they eliminate the stupid "class size" from college ranking equations, Ohio State would instantly become a top 20 school in the country as most of the other factors are ranked in the top 20, except for class size which is among the nation's worst.

I didn't trash these schools, but come on, its fairly obvious that Ohio State gets the best in at least the state, and therefore gets honored as being one of the best in the nation.