Alma_Parker;592066 wrote:For the record I don't feel that way at all. Massillon is a storied program and its supporters have a lot to be proud of. I have terrific memories from being in their stadium in the 70s and 80s and 90s watching state title games. Watching Spielman's last game in the horseshoe was a chance of a lifetime. They are truly impressive. But skank is stuck on why Massillon can't do even better for a misguided reason. And then he directly insulted a program I happed to be fond of and so I got a bit riled up. Ironton is also one of the storied football towns and Ironton HS is a very accomplished team. It's fun with numbers to show that they have a better record against a hard enough schedule to outpoint Massillon consistently. It's skank who doesn't respect Ironton or programs like it. Ironton has the winningest coach in Ohio history and they classically get minimal respect from schools up north (they know how to read the hometown papers down there) and skank has the same attitude. Meanwhile instead of feeling screwed by having to play big games four or five hours from home or getting intimidated, they just show up and do their best and some years surprise folks a little. skank doesn't need to attack Ironton as he did to try and make his point, but he chose to.

Long live Massillon I hope they thrive. And that their fans support them even when they play a private school. And that their fans respect Kenton and Orrville and Coldwater and others even if they play what skank calls 'small ball.'

www.irontonfootball.com

queencitybuckeye;592863 wrote:Is that why it smells like french fries in here?

queencitybuckeye;592863 wrote:Is that why it smells like french fries in here?

queencitybuckeye;592863 wrote:Is that why it smells like french fries in here?

skank;592870 wrote:Dude, you cast the first stone toward Massillon, so don't sit behind your computer screen and play the victim. When Ironton makes the playoffs, they have a ceiling in their division, correct? Sure they play some parochials, but theres that ceiling that only allows for so much of a difference in enrollment, when Massillon makes the playoffs, you got the parochial advantage thing AND schools with over 1000 boys in their school. for instance, when Massillon played St. X in 05 for the title....Ironton was closer in enrollment to Massillon, (despite being several divisions lower), than Massillon was to St. X. Then, you got the whole PA situation. Why not have your Ad call and schedule us if you're feeling so brave, remember though, don't let YOUR mouth write a check....

skank;592870 wrote:Dude, you cast the first stone toward Massillon, so don't sit behind your computer screen and play the victim.

Weird, I must have forgotten this part; all I remember is you suddently daring a little D-IV school to man up and play Massillon, impugning their character generally. The way I remember it, it came pretty much out of nowhere. Even if you were confused about what I felt about Massillon as a program, that should have been remedied by my post above, where I praise them. Now "victim" gets used a lot on here, but callling the guy who is fighting for his team's right to continue to do battle with the broad mix of publics and privates a vicitim is a littlel odd. If trying to convince you that you'll ruin for Kenton and Versailles and Ironton if you force them to play in a lesser division is victimhood, I guess I'll take that. I think the keen observer here would note that I respect Massillon, I'm just not crazy about your idea of getting them champsionships by monkeying with the brackets. Meanwhile you don't show much respect for the catholic programs or the smaller publics (Coldwater, Valley View, Ironton) who have perennial power. You call it "small ball" or state plainly that you don't care about anybody not D-I. When I gave you plenty of data that said, just maybe, Ironton played a pretty strong schedule and had a pretty solid record, you admitted nothing, but instead kept insulting me and that team. Odd, given you are dissing a team that outpoints yours with 1/3 the enrollment. Maybe you can fess up? Do you really resent the small publics who perform, too, not just the catholics? I mean you must thing somebody besides your own team is good, huh?


When Ironton makes the playoffs, they have a ceiling in their division, correct? Sure they play some parochials, but theres that ceiling that only allows for so much of a difference in enrollment, when Massillon makes the playoffs, you got the parochial advantage thing AND schools with over 1000 boys in their school. for instance, when Massillon played St. X in 05 for the title....Ironton was closer in enrollment to Massillon, (despite being several divisions lower), than Massillon was to St. X. Then, you got the whole PA situation. Why not have your Ad call and schedule us if you're feeling so brave, remember though, don't let YOUR mouth write a check....

Thinthickbigred;592923 wrote:Its alright to smell like fish on Fridays after the games though ...Hold the tartar....

skank;592883 wrote:Classless elitist post, are you saying that you are a better person than someone who works at McDonalds or BK? See, this is what I've been saying all along.

Alma_Parker;592940 wrote:Can you get me a discount? They don't do the dollar menu anymore...

skank;592836 wrote:Ok....one....last....time....WE, as in 'us'....as in Massillon....Still with me? We, aren't the ones....who...."gave the dad a job. Understand? See, Massillon has NO connection to Diebold, none whatsoever. If they....Meaning Diebold, transfered Mr. Kempt to the Ohio plant, do you think there is a chance that maybe....just maybe, they have transfered other people from plants throughout the country to the Ohio plant? People who's kids do not play football?

Alma_Parker;592938 wrote:Here I'm just not sure what you're saying. If it is that St. Xavier has more than 3X the enrollment of Massillon (Massillon is more than 3X Ironton), and that makes them really tough to beat, I can feel for that. Obviously the ratios on D-I and D-VI of largest to smallest can make that tough. And yes, even if Ironton "plays up" a fair amount during the regular season, the playoffs feature teams more-closely bunched. That issue makes a lot more sense to me personally than the public/private thing. Having a "super D-I" might help Massillon's chances a lot but then it just recreates the situation in that group, but I understand. On the last point/taunt, I have no idea what to say. I don't know what the "PA thing" even is, as it pertains to Ironton and/or Massillon, and I'm not sure I understand the point about Ironton schedulling Massillon. My point has never been that the "small ball" publics (your words) should be thrown into D-I, and I didn't think that was your point, even if you think all the catholics should be in D-I. Or am I confused? Do you really want the small publics to have to play Massillon and meanwhile Massillon not to have to play folks bigger than they? I'm just not sure where your're trying to go now. Feel free to say anything nice about anybody other than Massillon at any point.

tsst_fballfan;592294 wrote:My logic is that, in my opinion, a team need not go undefeated and win the state title to be an excellent football team. Anyone attempting to evince that the '05 Massillon Tigers weren't an excellent football team is being unobservant at the very least. If the theory is that disparaging the Tigers is synonymous with attacking a Massillon fan. One should also know it goes as far to ascertain the absence of football knowledge of the oppugner(if they truly believe that being cast).

NNN;593344 wrote: Random thoughts:
- Whatever happened to Bedford Chanel? In the last four years, they've gone 6-5, 3-7, 4-5, and 2-7.
- What happened to Hamilton Badin? About 10 years ago, they were either D-2 or D-3 and in the state semis; now they're D-5.
- What about Benedictine? Since winning the title in 2004, they've gone 4-6, 2-8, 4-6, 3-7, 3-7, and 2-8.

sherm03;593398 wrote:That was my point NNN. Certain people have this ridiculous belief that ALL private schools are purposefully keeping their enrollment numbers down and only bringing in top tier athletes so they can dominate lower divisions. However, it is a few number of private schools that enjoy success. Just like a few number of public schools that enjoy success. But people chastise me...saying that it is a smoke and mirrors argument and that "the time is coming" and whatever other crap they want to throw without any facts to back it up.

Be careful with posts like this NNN...some on here aren't too high on the whole "facts" part of a debate.

sherm03;593398 wrote:That was my point NNN. Certain people have this ridiculous belief that ALL private schools are purposefully keeping their enrollment numbers down and only bringing in top tier athletes so they can dominate lower divisions. However, it is a few number of private schools that enjoy success. Just like a few number of public schools that enjoy success. But people chastise me...saying that it is a smoke and mirrors argument and that "the time is coming" and whatever other crap they want to throw without any facts to back it up.

Be careful with posts like this NNN...some on here aren't too high on the whole "facts" part of a debate.

Red Rider Nation;593294 wrote:I am tired of talking about massillon football - that is the most overrated program in Ohio. In 1999 they recruited a D4 QB that won a state title and thought he was the greates thing since sliced bread - newsflash tigers: he had a better team at orrville than he ever did at Massillon and justin if all you wanted to do was go to Ohio st you should have stayed at Orrville because you had a way better football team there period!!! Since the playoffs started Massillon has won exactly zero state championships = way overrated!!! Their fans are stupid asses too! Because you are independent and play 8 home games every year, you make the playoffs but never due jack squat!

NNN;593344 wrote:As long as we're talking about enrollment caps across divisions, back in 2006 Delphos St. John's (D-6) played Worthington Kilbourne (D-1). St. John's finished 6-4 and out of the playoffs, but one of those wins was against Kilbourne...

Random thoughts:
- Whatever happened to Bedford Chanel? In the last four years, they've gone 6-5, 3-7, 4-5, and 2-7.
- What happened to Hamilton Badin? About 10 years ago, they were either D-2 or D-3 and in the state semis; now they're D-5.
- What about Benedictine? Since winning the title in 2004, they've gone 4-6, 2-8, 4-6, 3-7, 3-7, and 2-8.

skank;593286 wrote:Hey buddy, don't make things tougher than they are, St X has 1171 boys....Massillon has 553....1171 minus 553 = 618....Massillon has 553 boys....Ironton has 182 boys....553 minus 182 = 371.

Bigdogg;593868 wrote:Kilbourne was in their first year as a new school I believe, and was just starting a team heavy with underclassmen.

Red Rider Nation;593294 wrote:I am tired of talking about massillon football - that is the most overrated program in Ohio. In 1999 they recruited a D4 QB that won a state title and thought he was the greates thing since sliced bread - newsflash tigers: he had a better team at orrville than he ever did at Massillon and justin if all you wanted to do was go to Ohio st you should have stayed at Orrville because you had a way better football team there period!!! Since the playoffs started Massillon has won exactly zero state championships = way overrated!!! Their fans are stupid asses too! Because you are independent and play 8 home games every year, you make the playoffs but never due jack squat!

queencitybuckeye;594255 wrote:Ironton would have RUTS Massillon this year.

NNN;593344 wrote:As long as we're talking about enrollment caps across divisions, back in 2006 Delphos St. John's (D-6) played Worthington Kilbourne (D-1). St. John's finished 6-4 and out of the playoffs, but one of those wins was against Kilbourne...

Random thoughts:
- Whatever happened to Bedford Chanel? In the last four years, they've gone 6-5, 3-7, 4-5, and 2-7.
- What happened to Hamilton Badin? About 10 years ago, they were either D-2 or D-3 and in the state semis; now they're D-5.
- What about Benedictine? Since winning the title in 2004, they've gone 4-6, 2-8, 4-6, 3-7, 3-7, and 2-8.