Be Nice;592045 wrote:^sherm...couldn't you do any better than that? lol lol lol lol
I've provided solutions, stats, and facts.
What have you brought to the discussion?
Be Nice;592045 wrote:^sherm...couldn't you do any better than that? lol lol lol lol
skank;591711 wrote:Mrs. Parker, maybe this is why.
Massillons opponents that made the playoffs.
This is a who's who of Ohio HS football. We have backed down from no one, we have played schools that recruit, (your Ursulines, Ignatius' St. Edward's, Moellers), We have played traditional powers, (Mckinley, Warren, Steubenville). Schools that only call when they have their, 'team of a lifetime', (Perry, Dover, Normandy), Your schools that recruit AND only call when they have their, 'team of a lifetime', (Chaminade, Benedictine), Schools that are VERY competative year in and year out, (Mentor, Solon, Buchtel.) Teams that have been Nationally ranked when we played them. Nice try though....Keep playin small ball.
Be Nice;592045 wrote:^sherm...couldn't you do any better than that? lol lol lol lol
tsst_fballfan;591781 wrote:Not really my place because their are many here that know more about them than I but ... if someone truly believes Massillon is not a very good football program and one of the best in the state then they know very little about Ohio HS football. :shrugs:
sherm03;592053 wrote:I've provided solutions, stats, and facts.
What have you brought to the discussion?
Alma_Parker;592066 wrote:For the record I don't feel that way at all. Massillon is a storied program and its supporters have a lot to be proud of. I have terrific memories from being in their stadium in the 70s and 80s and 90s watching state title games. Watching Spielman's last game in the horseshoe was a chance of a lifetime. They are truly impressive. But skank is stuck on why Massillon can't do even better for a misguided reason. And then he directly insulted a program I happed to be fond of and so I got a bit riled up. Ironton is also one of the storied football towns and Ironton HS is a very accomplished team. It's fun with numbers to show that they have a better record against a hard enough schedule to outpoint Massillon consistently. It's skank who doesn't respect Ironton or programs like it. Ironton has the winningest coach in Ohio history and they classically get minimal respect from schools up north (they know how to read the hometown papers down there) and skank has the same attitude. Meanwhile instead of feeling screwed by having to play big games four or five hours from home or getting intimidated, they just show up and do their best and some years surprise folks a little. skank doesn't need to attack Ironton as he did to try and make his point, but he chose to.
Long live Massillon I hope they thrive. And that their fans support them even when they play a private school. And that their fans respect Kenton and Orrville and Coldwater and others even if they play what skank calls 'small ball.'
www.irontonfootball.com
tsst_fballfan;591781 wrote:Not really my place because their are many here that know more about them than I but ... if someone truly believes Massillon is not a very good football program and one of the best in the state then they know very little about Ohio HS football. :shrugs:
He doesn't have to. It's just as easy to sit back, do nothing, and watch you drive into the wall....repeatedly. You're mildly amusing though...so I encourage you to keep posting.Be Nice;592045 wrote:^sherm...couldn't you do any better than that? lol lol lol lol
How about 5 years ago when they lost the 'last game' to an undefeated St X by one score. Because they didn't win they're irrelevant? Being runner-up (by one score) in the D1 state title game to an undefeated school twice their size is playing "excellent" football in my book.queencitybuckeye;592160 wrote:If you're talking about the present and not 40 years ago, they might, repeat might, be among the top 20 programs. Whether that qualifies as "good" is up to the individual. For me, "good" would describe it, below "excellent" and "elite".
tsst_fballfan;592233 wrote:How about 5 years ago when they lost the 'last game' to an undefeated St X by one score. Because they didn't win they're irrelevant? Being runner-up (by one score) in the D1 state title game to an undefeated school twice their size is playing "excellent" football in my book.
tsst_fballfan;592233 wrote:How about 5 years ago when they lost the 'last game' to an undefeated St X by one score. Because they didn't win they're irrelevant? Being runner-up (by one score) in the D1 state title game to an undefeated school twice their size is playing "excellent" football in my book.
My logic is that, in my opinion, a team need not go undefeated and win the state title to be an excellent football team. Anyone attempting to evince that the '05 Massillon Tigers weren't an excellent football team is being unobservant at the very least. If the theory is that disparaging the Tigers is synonymous with attacking a Massillon fan. One should also know it goes as far to ascertain the absence of football knowledge of the oppugner(if they truly believe that being cast).sirclovis;592241 wrote:So if you continually lost to the best teams in the state by small margins that makes you an "excellent" football team? And this is not a knock against Massilon or anyone I am just trying to decipher your logic.
I could agree with that. But I would add being in the 'second ten' in Ohio HS football would be considered 'excellent' IMHO. It would probably be considered 'elite' in about 45 states.queencitybuckeye;592264 wrote:I'm talking programs, not single years. As a current program, they are near the top, but not close enough to the top to be termed elite IMO. Again, as a current program, they're somewhere in the second ten.
Massillon '05 was an excellent team.tsst_fballfan;592294 wrote:My logic is that, in my opinion, a team need not go undefeated and win the state title to be an excellent football team. Anyone attempting to evince that the '05 Massillon Tigers weren't an excellent football team is being unobservant at the very least. If the theory is that disparaging the Tigers is synonymous with attacking a Massillon fan. One should also know it goes as far to ascertain the absence of football knowledge of the oppugner(if they truly believe that being cast).
tsst_fballfan;592295 wrote:I could agree with that. But I would add being in the 'second ten' in Ohio HS football would be considered 'excellent' IMHO. It would probably be considered 'elite' in about 45 states.
fish82;592298 wrote:Massillon '05 was an excellent team.
Massillon as a program over the past 40 years has been good, but less than elite.
tsst_fballfan;592338 wrote:In this decade they made the playoffs in 2010, 2009, 2008, 2006, 2005 (2nd), 2002, 2001, 2000. They went multiple rounds 5 of those years. Including state runner-up in 2005, four rounds deep in 2009, four rounds deep in 2002. If the point is that they haven't won a state championship I can agree. If the point is they are not one of the top 2 or 3 teams I can agree. But if the point is that they are somehow not an excellent football team then we will have to agree to disagree.
I rest my case.Be Nice;592419 wrote:fish...it's a real pleasure to be under the skin of Miss Alma, sherm and now yourself. I am very flattered that you 3 constantly mention me in your posts. It's nice to be popular. However, guys, I'm married. I told you that. Please... find someone else to MANCRUSH on. lol lol lol lol
Be Nice;592520 wrote:I "rested" mine last week. You 3 have a great winter and be safe.
Al Bundy;591864 wrote:So if you give the dad a job it OK bring kids in using that method? I'm sure no families in Ohio could have used the job since the economy is so great here.
Alma_Parker;592033 wrote:Excellent!! It's important for everybody to have something to hang on to and feel good about. Sometimes kids act out just to get attention; I figured you couldn't actually mean most of the stuff you were saying or take yourself seriously. If you get some free time maybe you can help skank figure out how to explain why Massillon is screwed by the priivates but Ironton and Kenton aren't; he's gone quiet too so maybe you can team up. Meanwhile, good to know you are happy basking in the redoubt. Stay quiet and keep reading; this thread is making a lot more progress with the exchange of facts and balanced viewpoints; you may well learn a lot and maybe something can penetrate your absolutism and convince you that banishing the evil privates wouldn't work out.